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15 agree. 13 disagree.

The Alice team is a satellite team - like every other manufacturer, the kit and support is never up to the same level as the factory team.
Why do certain people seem to delight at having a pop at Ducati? At least the Alice team started the season with 2008 bikes identical to the works team. Why didn't Elias win then? Honda has been supplying their satellite teams with the 2007 machine.
Ducati is a small operation without the resources of the Japanese factories and as such has done extremely well. Next season, there will be 5 Ducati's on the grid. From Suzuki and Kawasaki, only 2 each. Nuff said.
Elias has never been that hot on anything & it's a case of a poor workman blaming his tools :rol

Posted by Otto - Unregistered (480 days ago)

Toni Elias reveals lack of technical support from Ducati during 2008 MotoGP season - will have 'near factory' Honda in 2009.

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1 agrees. 3 disagree.

Come on ladies! Of course Toni isn't going to be singing Ducatis praises with his generally poor performances this year, personally i can't remember any rider leaving a team that hasn't done so. If I really try, I can even recall a certain talented italian that left HRC with the championship under his arm, even had a few choice words about the company that helped get him there. It happens all the time, and it won't be the last, afterall like many sports, big dollars exposes big egos, unfortunately it can also expose inconsistency, and relatively mediocre talent and motivation amongst certain company, just ask Marco.

Posted by Bob Buttamasangy (479 days ago)

2 agree.

G M "I've heard all the arguments before about twins deserve this and that but it's all rubbish. If so why are there not different rules for v4's v inline 4's?" It's the number of cylinders that makes the difference, not the arrangement, because 4 small cylinders have a larger intake area to volume ratio than 2 big ones for a given total capacity. Intake area is the major factor in power development. Roughly, a 25% increase in piston size means 100% more capacity, but the intake area only goes up by around 50%, so intake area to volume ratio is reduced by 50%. That's the reason for the rule. Slightly greater friction losses in fours, greater weight etc, make a "fair" formula hard to decide.

Posted by motomito - Unregistered (479 days ago)

1 agrees.

What has been happening in the Alice team is maybe due to Dantin way of managing the team, he was getting the money then, no parts coming, mechanics not getting pay, normal the money was going to all the business he had beside, then someons start to look at all of this and get rid of him, Ducati has been helping but the best way is maybe to start all over again, start on the right foot,meaning to solve all the problem Dantin did cause, how a team can be working in thoses conditions, mid season some mechanic were still waiting their money from last ye**********

Posted by Patrice - Unregistered (479 days ago)

2 agree. 3 disagree.

belly, as you astutely said "who was behind the rule change?" As you hint it is accepted fact that Ducati blackmailed the rule change thru. So it is just semantics to argue that they were only "following the rules". Bottom line is they make an inferior performing machine cc for cc and need more cubes to be competitive. I've heard all the arguements before about twins deserve this and that but it's all rubbish. If so why is there not different rules for v4's v inline 4's etc etc.

Sorry to all for highjacking the thread, but the ducatista rubbish annoys me & many.

PS - I also ride a beemer (amongst others) so I'm neutral as well

Posted by G M (479 days ago)

2 disagree.

@GM - I currently ride a BMW so I am officially neutral here. Ducati didn't cheat. They simply complied with a rule change which allowed the extra 200cc. Now as to who was behind the rule change ....... ??? This rule change should allow my new (on order) KTM RC8 to get into WSBK in 2010 as well, so I happen to think it's a great change. Surprised Aprilia went to a four cylinder though!!

Posted by belly - Unregistered (479 days ago)

4 agree. 6 disagree.

I love how the Ducatista drop out of the trees whenever there is a shread of critisim directed at a Ducati machine. If they for a minute opened thir other eye things would become much clearer.
Just watch what happens when I say that they had to cheat (+200cc) to make a compettiive superbike!!!

Posted by G M (479 days ago)

2 agree. 2 disagree.

Ducati did give the private teams equal equipment at season start and an upgrade to factory spec in the second half, that's more than Ive seen Honda do in seasons past.
If Barros or Toni showed at any stage they were a realistic title chance then maybe they could complain about not getting enough factory support, but they haven't been anywhere near fast or consistent enough (on ANY bike). Also, how much was D'antin a factor in this - Hoffman said he was a nightmare to work with.

Its a phenomenal effort by a small factory to be fielding 4 bikes and propping up grid numbers, and in a season where they were struggling even with their number one combo I'm afraid thats life Toni.

Posted by damo - Unregistered (479 days ago)

6 agree. 5 disagree.

Geoff Wright, you do like to generalise don't you? I'm not a Rossi "groupie" but Ducati treat people terribly sometimes. Look what they did to Capirosi... Their golden boy, until Casey came along and they dumped him after one lousy season... Why do you think anybody that makes an anti-Ducati remark is a Rossi groupie?

Posted by 1050cc (479 days ago)

1 agrees. 1 disagrees.

Gresini was receiving new parts from the factory because the factory-biaggi was strugling in front of rossi,the only man from honda who had the chance to win the doctor was gibernau-and he was helped by the factory,,gibernau gone..melandri showed no competition to the title and gresini waked up a simple satelite team.And in this case if elias will not show good results he will not get some new parts in summer..anyway good luck,,we all need good competitiveness in front there..i'm sure next season will be fun to watch!

just look at calendar to see "April 12th" :rolleyes:

Posted by Luk - Unregistered (479 days ago)

6 agree. 2 disagree.

Elias has to be the most dissapointing rider in Motogp. Claims the "parts dissappeared" are absolute rubbish, he has a proven history of bludging as soon as his new contract is signed.
And as far as a "factory bike" goes - good luck Tony! ask Marco what Honda provides vs what is promises to satellite teams. They are a bunch of .........s.

Posted by Greg Smith (479 days ago)

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