BSB » Alex Lowes disqualified for Byrne collision


Alex Lowes is disqualified from the results of the second MCE British Superbike Championship race following his collision with main title rival Shane Byrne.

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Shrieker

September 24, 2013 12:51 AM

@secreto,

In terms of racing, Shakey didn't have the opportunity to pick his bike up, infact he had no time to react because it's such a fast corner. On the other hand, Sam had just overtaken Kenan with few corners to spare until the end of the race and he should've been expecting an attack in a slow corner. In terms of causality, Sam had the chance to remount and finish the race without losing many positions. Consider Spa '08 for example, had Raikkonen not ploughed his car into the barriers the stewards could've chosen to reverse Hamilton's and Kimi's positions instead of just handing Hamilton a 25 sec. time penalty. So in a sense, you could say that a disqualification for Kenan could've occured only if the consequences had been dire. A better question to ask would've been why they did not reverse Sam's and Kenan's positions as they did with Linfoot and Kenan in Magny-Cours last year. Probably because they thought of it more like a racing incident.

Dreaduk

September 24, 2013 10:10 AM

Why don't they just let racers race? The whole point of closed circuit racing is that participants only endanger themselves and if they fall off or crash it's their own fault. If someone objects to being part of a crash.......don't race. Other than deliberately torpedoing another rider, there should be no disqualifications or points deductions. Lows won that race fare and square, he didn't deliberately hit Byrne, indeed one of Whithams favourite expressions is that a rear wheel always best's a front one. in other words, touch a rear wheel with a front one and the rider at the back will come off worst. It was a misjudgment, nothing more, and his riding has been pretty exemplary so far. The penalty is nothing more than yet another cynical move to make a stupid shoot out closer when we all know that Lows would have run away withe the competition had it been conventionally run. It'll be mirrors and indicators on the bikes next!

TalentFan

September 24, 2013 10:30 AM

@ DreadUK.

Do you even ride? Or get basic physics? Lowes hit Byrne with his front wheel and fairing but in the centre of Byrnes bike. With momentum and centrifugal for e then most of the energy in Lowes bike would be transferred to the machine on the outside. Result is the outside bike being cleaned out while the inside bike has a far better chance if staying on.

It wasn't deliberate but it was rash and it was a mistake that had consequences for SBs championship and could have hurt him badly. It was an OTT move and I think the decision is fair and equitable to both parties as neither has benefitted ( in fact Byrne still has had a big crash and the resulting discomfort). I can't see why anyone would quibble really.

Tetley

September 24, 2013 11:24 AM

Shrieker”@Tetley Hi mate, consider this, if you accidentally pull the trigger and the bullet grazes someone's shoulder you're going to fare much better in court compared to a situation where the bullet goes right in the middle of their face.”
If the trigger was pulled accidentally then surely no offence was committed ? ( Assuming you have a licence for the weapon )
Shrieker “@secreto, Sam had just overtaken Kenan with few corners to spare until the end of the race and he should've been expecting an attack in a slow corner. In terms of causality, Sam had the chance to remount and finish the race without losing many positions.”
I'm guessing you're not a fan of the Lowes' twins as you say Alex is wrong to dive under Shakey, but in similar circumstances it is OK for Kenan to dive under Sam. Dual standards?
The only difference between the two scenarios is that everyone agrees that Alex did not hit Shakey deliberately, but there are serious questions over Kenan's intent.

Dreaduk

September 24, 2013 1:54 PM

@talentfan

Probably ridden for a lot longer than you have. Been properly trained as well, have you?

Your over simplistic assessment of the incident merely demonstrates your ignorance of the laws of physics and the incident itself which, in this case, are beyond our comprehension because we're not in possession of the full facts. Or are you suggesting physics isn't a science of fact, but rather judgement based on your uninformed observations in which case the earth will indeed be flat.

You saw a distorted TV transmission (unless you were actually at the spot spectating) like the rest of us therefore your understanding of the dynamics involved is absolutely nil, even if you were there.

My point wasn't to debate the physics of the crash but to illustrate that the risks involved for Lowes were potentially far greater than for Byrne so his intention wasn't to be reckless or stupid, demonstrated by his previous quality riding.

My greater point was that racers should be left to race unle

Dreaduk

September 24, 2013 1:55 PM

(Continued) should be left to race unless there is a deliberate attempt to crash into someone and that Lowes' win should stand.

To take it a stage further, arguably Bridewell should also be penalised for his crash with Haga, he did nothing more than Lowes, misjudge a corner and wipe somebody out. The fact Bridewell didn't finish is academic, he caused a crash through poor judgement.

Take it one more stage, what, precisely is the difference in the two crashes and what law or regulation covers either, or both. Where is it written that thou shalt not crash into competitors accidentally? In which case should the regulations be changed to forbid reckless riding, but then riding at 170mph on a narrow track with 20 odd other riders doing the same is reckless by any standards, so where is the logic in penalising someone for an unintentional crash? Or should we introduce the offence of riding without due care and attention, in which case, what's the point of competing.

Sure we want motorspor

Dreaduk

September 24, 2013 1:57 PM

(Continued) Sure we want motorsports to be as safe as it can be but you can't penalise one rider for misjudging a corner and taking out another rider without penalising another for doing exactly the same thing.

Nothing more than results manipulation for the sake of the sports financial wellbeing.

Any clearer? Or do you need more help?

Shrieker

September 24, 2013 3:33 PM
Last Edited 212 days ago

@ Dreaduk,

Sorry mate, you simply can't turn a blind eye to a rider wiping out a fellow racer. If the stewards take no action, then there's nothing preventing it from becoming the standard and next thing you know there are riders getting seriously hurt or killed.

@ Tetley,

"If the trigger was pulled accidentally then surely no offence was committed ?"

I can assure you even if you pull the trigger accidentally, you'll almost certainly serve jail time if the bullet's gone right into the victim's face.

Regarding Lowes brothers, no I don't have anything against them since I hardly know either. I've seen their races and both are very good riders and racers. In case of Alex vs. Shane and Kenan vs. Sam I've tried to handle different situations impartially and comment on them. That's all.

rocket3david

September 24, 2013 5:22 PM

I for one, do not believe the incident between lowes and byrne was an accident, in my opinion, lowes rode straight-through byrne like he was not there,I consider the action to have been beliberate in which case lowes should have been banned for the rest of the season as his recklessness could very well ended with a fatality.

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