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what is of more interest is how fragile the bikes are. Being as its mostly a road bike its a bit of a pi$$ take by yam and the rest that your bike can topple over and get some serious damage. The big four and the others really need to start again as they have gone up a dead end and all the old born agains have spent their money now. There is no new generation that can afford 10000 quid for a sunday 5mile blast/2hr polish purchase.