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Moss number one.

F1 expert's new book leaves Schumi out of top ten.

 3 people agree.  1 people disagree.

AH is entitled to his own personal view but his "selection" is hardly definitive. OK, moss was a good all rounder but he was never good enough to become world champion whereas others were. drivers who came back fron adversary (such as Lauda) have better claim to a position above moss. AH is not God!!
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Posted by rolling stone - Unregistered (179 days ago)
 6 people agree.

Schumacher at 11 is a bit ambitious. I mean the guy was 7 times world champion for crying out loud.

I am not Schumi's biggest fan and believe Senna to be the true embodiment of a racing driver and the greatest of them all, but 11th Mr Henry, 11th???
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Posted by Kiran Patel (179 days ago)
 8 people agree.  1 people disagree.

i couldn't disagree more with this list
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Posted by michael - Unregistered (179 days ago)
 3 people agree.

MS has more wins/WC's than 1/2 of that top 10 put together.. nuff said
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Posted by John - Unregistered (178 days ago)
 4 people agree.  1 people disagree.

So much for "expert" commentary! What was Mr. Henry smoking when he put this list together. It is patently absurd from many perspectives. We can all debate this issue endlessly, but I think this new list is so far off the mark as to be laughable.
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Posted by Bob - Unregistered (178 days ago)
 3 people agree.

The most succesful driver of all time cannot be outside the top ten. Its like saying Federer or Sampras are 11th in terms of the best tennis players of all time.

Its the most ridiculous top 100 ever. He should have just published his best 100 friends in F1 list.

Besides, I am fundamentally opposed to such lists. unless its tangible/measurable fact,
whats the point? Stirling Moss? Sorry, how many championships and races did this number one win? In 10 years, got beaten by Fangio 6 times, even as team mates (mercedes 55), and in 59 beaten as team mate to Brabham in a Cooper, so tell me is the first rule of F1 not to beat your team mate first? If Moss never could how could he be the best?
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Posted by Dario - Unregistered (178 days ago)
 2 people agree.  1 people disagree.

This list is a load of crap!!
AH definitely lost the plot here. He defies the way people consider him as an 'expert' in formula 1.
The article said 'on and off the track'.
On the track, how can 91 race wins, 7 WDCs, all records broken and memorable battles not count? Off the track, Schumacher's philantrophic undertakings can't be matched by his peers... tell me any race driver who's given out millions of his own money to help others in need!
Stirling Moss(with due respect) has never won the WDC which is the main aim of it all isnt it?
This list was obviously made this way to sell copies for it's controversy and not substance. Another tabloid ploy that's cheap and tasteles.
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Posted by Alan - Unregistered (178 days ago)
 2 people agree.  3 people disagree.


I suspect that all the comments made above are by those too young to have watched the likes of Moss and Clark - I did, and my only change would be to swap the top two. Statistics are not everything, indeed can be very misleading. To dismiss a driver purely on results without considering the factors leading up to them (team orders etc)is unrealistic. As very much a "non-fan" of Moss, I have to admire (if not agree with) his sense of patriotism driving, whenever possible British cars, and his quiet acceptance of the team 'regime' at Mercedes. Alan Henry is better qualified than most (certainly than all the 'posters' here) to voice an opinion, which is what it is - nothing more, nothing less.
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Posted by Morgan Rees (178 days ago)
 8 people agree.  1 people disagree.

Morgan stats and results matter. You need to be a champion to be the best in the business. Statistics are everything in F1 and from what i know he only won 16 races and won 0 championships in 10 years. Schumi might not be #1 to many but he won 7 championships and beat all the records there are in the record books. Moss can be a great driver for what its worth but he does not have any proof to show it.

And why is hamilton in the list? 1 season and he is in the top 50 all time greatest drivers

As usual an Englishman is showing his bias towards English drivers. No surprise there.
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Posted by Sudhir Menon - Unregistered (178 days ago)
 6 people agree.  1 people disagree.

What a useless list...
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Posted by Mr Rock - Unregistered (178 days ago)
 4 people agree.  1 people disagree.

hahahahahahhahahaha
it's so funny
f1 expert!
ahahahahahhahahahahaha
thanks for the laughs!
hahahahahahhahahaha
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Posted by Ze - Unregistered (178 days ago)
 1 people agree.  6 people disagree.

i like the list. i think its correct.
shumy sucks anyways all germans suck
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Posted by BoNe - Unregistered (178 days ago)
 1 people agree.  2 people disagree.

Some further considerations: Safety - think of how many accidents nowadays, from which drivers walk, would have been fatal in the 60's and before.
Frequency of races - compare the number of GP's in a season now and then.
As for lack of proof - consider his Monaco win of '61 - privateer Lotus against works Ferraris, and his earlier Mille Miglia win - for all sorts of reasons - strategy being not the least, those have to be classed as "great". Remember it's not just GP's that are being considered in AH's criteria. And thankfully he's still around to make us laugh with his moped on a motorway and Viagra adverts!!!
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Posted by Morgan Rees (178 days ago)
 2 people agree.

Morgan, I've got to agree with your latest post. Although I am too young to have watched Moss racing, I have seen a few documentaries about him. He was definitely a racer, more than a driver, as he likes to define himself. So were Senna, Clark, G. Villeneuve, Fangio, and many others on the list. I don't particularly agree with the list order, though, but I guess everyone is free to make his/her own.
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Posted by Andre - Unregistered (178 days ago)
 1 people agree.  1 people disagree.

Schumacher is most likely down the list, not due to his lack of sucess, but due to some of the dubious tactics used! Taking out Hill, Villenuve etc, his "spin" in qualifying at silverstone (03ish i think...) parking in Monaco etc etc....

Having the best tech team built around him, and being able to select weaker team mates helped him too! There's no denying his achievements, but you cant seriously put him above Clark, Moss, Senna etc!
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Posted by Irish Ginge - Unregistered (178 days ago)
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