F1 » Ickx: Rosberg Schumacher's biggest enemy in F1 2010

Contrary to the popular school of thought, it could well be returning F1 legend Michael Schumacher who has difficulty in keeping up with Mercedes Grand Prix team-mate Nico Rosberg in F1 2010, argues Le Mans hero Jacky Ickx

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January 24, 2010 9:25 PM

johnson. go to ABOUT.COM, and then to inventors, and to history of the motor car. a full and factual summary is on that site!! even benz admitted that he was progressing others patents, and as i posted many months ago, i have a booklet issued by daimler and titled " a century of motoring" in which they go back to the early 1800s to find the first car powered by an ICE. so when you argue, you are in fact disputing what your idols say themselves. benz produced the first COMMERCIAL car, but not the FIRST car.


January 24, 2010 10:01 PM

Why post then Frank??? :? :? :?

There were numerous other prototypes namely from a dude called Francois Isaac de Rivaz, who in CONCEPT were the first DESIGNERS of the automobile.
It didnt even work!!!! lol
A Russian made a steam powered 3 wheeler that sort of worked but then it isnt IC engined.

The first guy to make it work succesfully was Karl benz. Hence why he is so widely garnered as the father of the Autocar.

Kinda like saying the wright brothers werent the first aviators because some other guy called da vinci designed and built a non flying glider.

I can accept he didnt design the autocar without having the knowledge passed on from others failings.
He made it work!

will - Unregistered

January 24, 2010 10:13 PM

First vehicle to move under its own power was designed by Nicholas Joseph Cugnot- but yes, Benz is widely credited with designing the first 'practical' car

Alan D - Unregistered

January 24, 2010 10:41 PM

Johnson, I find it astonishing that you think Benz built the first WORKING car. Do you deny that Trevithick drove a self-powered vehicle through Cornwall in 1801 and in London in 1803? Do you deny that Sam Brown drove an 8 litre gas engine up Shooters Hill in 1826? What about the steam omnibus service between Stratford and Paddington in 1830? Well then, get a copy of Le Monde Illustrated from 1860 and you will find an article in there about Lenoir's carriage powered by a gas-fuelled ICE. And in 1863 Lenoir had a liquid hydrocarbon fuelled version that completed several 6 mile journeys around Paris. Sadly, no Wikipedians were on hand to be run over.

andrew mac

January 24, 2010 10:48 PM

Merc may have some of the patents but that does not mean they were the first. The first car with a layout like modern cars was not a Merc. I can't remember what it was but it was American (not Ford). Anyone know?

Alan - do I detect a dislike towards the fountain of knowledge that is wiki?

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