F1 » Stewart defends Mosley over F1 2010 disarray

Given their fractious past relationship, three-time world champion Sir Jackie Stewart is perhaps an unlikely candidate to defend Max Mosley, but the Scot argues that the former FIA President is not entirely to blame for what has been described as the 'Mickey Mouse' nature of F1 2010

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Paddockman - Unregistered

March 05, 2010 8:39 AM

Stewart is right that manufacturers come and go. And it was obvious early in 2008 that some of them would not stay in F1 with plunging sales and massive cost cutting in their core businesses.

The Ferrari idea that Mosley was responsible for Honda, BMW and then Toyota leaving has always been absurd. Their managements all gave excessive cost and the economic downturn as their reasons for leaving. They were obviously not lying.

Ferrari may not like new teams but without them we would be looking at a maximum of 18 cars. We should welcome the new teams - everyone has to start somewhere as indeed Ferrari did 60 odd years ago.

Maybe Ferrari, too, needs new management.

Zoltan - Unregistered

March 05, 2010 9:04 AM

I would say that the basics of what Mosley wanted to achieve(less cost more teams) is what the teams wanted to aechieve too but what was wrong was HOW Mad Max Mosley wanted to achieve them!
Cost cutting to 40 million in a space of 1 year???
USF1 & Campos picked over Lola & Prodrive???


TestingTimes - Unregistered

March 05, 2010 9:12 AM

You make a very good point on Ferrari, one I concur with wholly. However the manufacturers leaving has also got its roots in FIA management.
It is their responsibilty to manage team costs, and they failed badly. This is Mosleys fault, no question, and this is indefensible.
You cannot force anyone to a cost-cap resolution, instead a carrot approach of recieving MORE concorde money for spending LESS would have salvaged the situation.
The manufacturers other issue was stifled development in the face of "technology freezing". Again the blame lies at the FIA's door, not only does it make them leave but it stops other manufacturers from joining until the next development window years ahead.

tolemant - Unregistered

March 05, 2010 9:19 AM

It is true, manufacturers come and go as they please and always at the cost of a private team which they, to use Ferrari's words, vulture and and nearly blow up when they leave again. Renault is the only car manufacturer that set up a team, on their second run they bought Benetton. On Ferrari, the old man himself never made a secret about the fact that he sold cars to finance his racing.. That is why it is Fiat talking the manufacturer's voice and not Ferrari. They should label it Fiat in that case.

Insider - Unregistered

March 05, 2010 9:49 AM

TestingTimes. The argument last summer was about the FIA trying to reduce costs and the OEM teams resisting. The Concorde money is an agreement between the teams and FOM. The FIA has no say in it.

The problem was that although the OEM teams resisted drastic cost cuts, this is exactly what the big bosses were doing in the main companies. If the teams had agreed to cut, some of them would might still be in F1.

As it was, the main boards did not have time to go into detail about F1, they were too busy trying to save their core businesses. Result: a quick decision to quit F1.

FreddyFreeloader - Unregistered

March 05, 2010 9:52 AM

Max and Co messed up. They were in charge with the long term planning and strategy for F1. The mistakes they made over the past 5 years are staggering. The reason the major car companines pulled out is that they could not long term plan and build a strategy around that. No major company can throw money into a business that is unstructured - especially when its not there core business. When the FIA and F1 settles down - no rule changes every week, Kers next month, V10's then V8's, the majoor car makers will come back instead of the joker teams who offer compaines big advertising revenue by getting a car on the grid that has'nt even been at testing

Piercarlogassolini - Unregistered

March 05, 2010 9:55 AM

It must be the time of day, but we seem to be in the middle of a sensible discussion here...
I concurr with CDF, and think the manufactureres who pulled out have been shown to be mighty two-faced to side with FOTA. I fell ashamed to drive a Toyota (not to mention scared). And I bet they feel really proud of expelling the Mighty Williams and Force India.

Paddockman - Unregistered

March 05, 2010 10:05 AM

FreddyF You have got your facts wrong. The change from V10 to V8 was a proposal (in 2004) from the manufacturer teams to save costs. KERS was a proposal from the FIA (in 2005) which was agreed to by the manufacturer teams who themselves evolved the detailed rules.

No, the reason three manufacturer teams pulled out was the need to save costs in their main businesses.

We were fortunate not to lose Mercedes and Renault for the same reason. Both have imposed massive cost cuts on their teams and been able to save large sums with the engine freeze - another suggestion willingly adopted by the manufacturers. So they are still in - just.

FreddyFreeloader - Unregistered

March 05, 2010 10:16 AM

@ Paddockman - You are correct about saving cost but you missed my point. Major car makers love F1, but cannot sink cash into a black hole. F1 has been a black hole for years. None of the teams wanted Kers. It was forced on them. Most never used it last year cause they could not afford to develop it. Then Kers was pulled - what a waste of money!. What company can invest millions on that basis?
Fundamentally F1 has a weak structure so of course the major car makers pulled out - they cannot not see where F1 was going and still cant. So when money is tight, like it is now, you pull out of a non core business.


March 05, 2010 11:09 AM

reading jackies comments, i would hardly say that he is "defending" mosley, merely saying that he was not totally responsible for the mess. wonder if mosley still calls him a "certified halfwit"??. the manufacturers pulling out was mainly due to the recession that has occurred, nothing else. had there been no slump, i would be sure that there would be more manufacturers in the sport.

pc. you should be scared driving your toyota! a number of "fixed" cars have now also suffered the same problem. looks as if it electronics, rather than mechanical.does your toyota use fly by wire accellerator??

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