F1 » Monaco GP - Thursday press conference - Pt.2

Team principals: John Booth (Virgin), Tony Fernandes (Lotus), Christian Horner (Red Bull), Martin Whitmarsh (McLaren).

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cknopp - Unregistered

May 13, 2010 7:22 PM

Why does no-one seem to understand that when a faster car is in front of a slower car (IE: Qualifying) that you will inherently NOT have overtaking!

And for some reason, those same people completely overlook all of the overtaking that has taken place over the last 10 years.

I don't think that I have ever heard anyone of consequence in F1 say that cars designed to be easily overtaken is part of F1 DNA.
I'm going to miss F1 in 2011, but my hope is that IndyCar 2012 makes up for it!


May 13, 2010 7:29 PM

I agree with most of what you said jet. But the fans determine whether or not the F1 product is good enough to watch. It's what pays the bills. And the fans want passing. The cars are close enough in speed to get close but the diffuser will not allow a car to follow behind for long. The tires go off and defensive moves do the job. Hopefully next year with the diffuser off the car, we will get SOME passing. And if I remember correctly the fastest non diffuser team was Red Bull.

cknopp - Unregistered

May 13, 2010 7:40 PM

Why do you call me jet?

After the DDD is removed for next year, and overtaking stays the same as it has been for the past 10 years, will you then come back and say that you were wrong?

Or will it just be another blame on another item?

Rememeber, Toyota showed their CFD about the wake of the DDD at the WMSC, and it showed that it was actually cleaner than the 2008 version.

Maybe people just need to think for themselves instead of listening to the pundits and the crybabies that can't pass.

Look at Hamilton this year so far... I don't see the DDD stopping him from some amazing overtaking manouvers.

cknopp - Unregistered

May 13, 2010 7:52 PM

Seriously, I am NOT jet. If you want to know, I am Conceptual from F1technical.net

And the why is nothing but more blame. Watch the "classic" races from Monaco from 80, 84, 88, 04... There was NEVER the amount of overtaking in F1 that people seem to remember.

Ogami on F1Technical did a spreadsheet last year, and it actually showed that there was more overtaking in 2009 than any season EVER.

Can you explain that "why"? Or do you simply dismiss objective criteria in you decision making process?


May 13, 2010 8:00 PM

Everyone is HAPPY and agreed to ban the double diffuser. I am going to side with FOTA and the FIA on this matter. I could care less if there was more passing in 2009. The fans want MORE. So how could everyone agree to remove the cheater piece Ross and the other two took but you? Or does this prove the piece was a gift? And the bogus championship Brawn won.

cknopp - Unregistered

May 13, 2010 9:47 PM


There is a reason that the fans do nothing but watch, and that is the fact they are not educated enough to participate let alone make demands.

With drivers blaming aero for poor performances, and pundits trying to keep their views of drivers consistant, the "overtaking" banner has been beaten to death.

The DDD was banned by FOTA, and FOTA only requires a 70% majority to make such a ban. In a cost cutting regime, changing more rules at this time is idiotic.

They should have simply frozen the spec at the end of the year. That way the teams could benefit without investing even MORE into loopholes to get the same benefits.

cknopp - Unregistered

May 13, 2010 9:51 PM


You still haven't answered my earlier question.

Will you publicly admit that you were wrong when the ban on the DDD for 2011 does NOTHING to increase the overtaking in F1? Or are you just going to continue with your rhetoric and arm-chair engineering by blaming something else?

When the cars line up fastest-to-slowest, especially loaded with race distance fuel, there will NEVER be more overtaking than 2009, even if they were regulated to tube frames, tyres, and engine.

It is a fact of physics.


May 14, 2010 2:00 AM
Last Edited 2096 days ago

Ahh what the hell, If you are told over and over again that if you get to close you will lose aero-grip, you will not get close. The problem "me thinks" right now with F1 is that alot of these drivers do not want to take the chance of an overtake maneuver for fear of crashing or causing a crash. This thought/idea might be controversial to some and I understand, but I think this has a lot to do with what is going on. Too much money involved and reputations to be had or lost. It is an unfortunate part of what is going on. No one wants to look bad. This could be easily fixed by awarding points for passes. Just need to figure out the best and most fair way to do it. Just a thought! :)

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