F1 » Brabham: Webber 'has blown' F1 2010 title chance


The first man ever to claim F1 World Championship glory for Australia over half a century ago - Sir Jack Brabham - fears his compatriot Mark Webber may 'have blown' his only chance of emulating that feat with his Korean error

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Flanbrose - Unregistered

October 31, 2010 4:35 AM

If Red Bull lose this championship it will be their own fault. They have had a far superior car at almost every track, yet have consistently found a way to shoot themselves in the foot. All signs of a young team that has no experience racing at the front for a championship. Their time may come but I think they have given Alonso all he needs (half a chance).

107SS2009

October 31, 2010 7:52 AM

Frontright, Vettel's engine failure was at nr4 con rod, can you please state your information source? As the information I have (Yalla F1 and Richards F1) is as, follows, it's the first engine failure we had this year, the mileage was 1600km, something broke in the valve area, on Friday we were using an engine with much higher mileage.

richard

October 31, 2010 9:06 AM

sunny. yes the engine failure was interesting to engineers. but putting together what little info we know, or have been told, just shows a sequence.
failure of one bank of cylinders, hence vettel slowing down. possibly electronic if four cyinders affected. may have resulted in valves and pistons having an argument. this could then cause a jammed piston and con rod failure, which punched through the bottom of engine, showering debris (Magnesium??) to fall on track, giving us a fireworks display.
the proximate cause seems to have been a top end problem. NOTHING showed on telemetry, other than sudden failure of one bank (per christian)

107SS2009

October 31, 2010 10:22 AM

Richard, a top end failure means valve, valve air spring, finger-cam follower or the camshaft any of which will in most cases not show on telemetry.
If it was a valve (dropped valve) it would have damaged the piston, a damaged piston can lead to a damaged rod, a broken rod or piston can at high speed poke/punch a hole on the side of the block, again these things when they break will not show on telemetry, but are spectacular to watch.
It can be taken as near impossible for a con rod to suddenly break after it has been proven not only in manufacturing tests but in a two race distances nowadays. That's why I asked for the source of information.

richard

October 31, 2010 11:38 AM

sunny. thanks. you are confirming what i said. and i agree about windy. nobody can believe him.
but what i was referring to as "proximate cause", is the reason behind an event. yes, ultimately a conrod may have come through the sump, (everybody could see that) but what was the initial cause? i agree that it would not be a con rod failure, but working back through the sequence, i agree that it was probably a dropped valve, due to failure of a electronic "mix up". whatever the real reason, it must have been heartbreaking for vettel.
hope the seal doesnt suffer like problems!

joeh - Unregistered

October 31, 2010 2:48 PM

Mark Webber is God . He will win the championship . Everything he touches turns to gold and he is NEVER wrong . All of the other drivers should feel blessed that they are even allowed to share the track with him . WE should feel blessed that in our lifetime we are able to go to a race and see him perform his racecraft in real life! We all have something to learn from him . FORZA Webber !!! Yeaaaaa

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