F1 » FIA reveals F1 engine, team orders and tyre changes

F1's governing body the FIA has unveiled a raft of regulation changes for the coming seasons, from the abolition of the team orders ban to the introduction of 'greener', 1.6-litre turbocharged engines

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Alan D - Unregistered

December 12, 2010 9:21 PM

KGBVD: "No one watch Le Mans to cheer on a Courage, they cheer the Audis, Ferraris and Peugeots. Its relevance that is important these days."

So why do people go to F1 to cheer the Mclarens, the Williams, the Red Bulls? How many people see a Coswroth-powered car do well at an F1 race and then go out and buy a Coswroth powered people carrier?

And if motor racing is such a good way for car manufacturers to develop new technology, why don't they take part all the time, and why do they pull out so quickly when they aren't winning? Could it be that its just about marketing for them, same as it was for Beneton, same as it is for Santandar and RBS? Sure, some innovations come out of motor racing, but I can't see an F-duct and adjustable wings on a family saloon anytime soon.

Ian S - Unregistered

December 12, 2010 10:00 PM

wow, crash actually bothered to edit my comment. Perhaps if I had described equator as a xenophobe then they might have allowed it. For sure they didn't read his comments about Brits, or 'limies' as he so badly misspelled them.
Oh yeah Crash, you will find me deep in the heart of Texas. How about some even handed moderating from you too?

Hairpin - Unregistered

December 13, 2010 12:35 AM

I,ve read a lot of posts on here about the pluses minuses of the new 2013 engine regulations, and references to a 1600cc turbocharged engine limited to 12000 rpm.
Having re-read the statement on Formula 1 site there is no mention of Turbo's, only a fuel delivery pressure of up to 500psi (which converts to around 34.5 bar).
I'm sure someone, out of all you knowledgeable people on here, can put me strait and tell me where to view the regs that state Turbo's will be reintroduced. ? ?
Thanks in advance !

Marybeth - Unregistered

December 13, 2010 1:05 AM

I am agree with ChiefRocka on Speed. If this is a true team sport, then both drivers go on the podium & there is one points, i.e., if Massa won 25, & FA finished 10th, then you add the points between them and average it out and that is the points for Ferrari for that week. Or...you add both points together & that is the points for the week for Ferrari, & same is done for each team. You have never seen a team where each player gets separate points. There is only one set of points for a team at the end of the game.

g's'n'r's - Unregistered

December 13, 2010 2:24 AM

In the middle of this bleating about who favours what, everyone seems to have forgotten a fundamental issue about motor sport. I attend to watch a fair race. I do not want some anonymous technical or commercial director sitting in the pits deciding who is going to win. If this is to be the case we might as well only allow one car teams from now on as the other car is superfluous.
And who is going to tell Ladbrokes et al that the result is fixed before the start? Are you prepared to put money on the outcome from now on. You would be an idiot of you did.


December 13, 2010 6:37 AM

CJD, we will not be back in the eighty's (BMW M12/13, if we do most of the current drivers will be screaming the cars are un-drivable.
Les Wright (Australia) restored a Benetton B 186 chassis number 5 complete with its BMW 1.5l turbo engine and he reports a dynamometer output reading of 802HP @ 9700RPM he also reports a very small power band, the engine goes from 450 to 800HP in about 1000RPM.
May be our friend Commodore S can shed some more information on this fantastic project. Hope Richard will keep in touch/read all this on his laptop while in RBR country.
HAIRPIN, up to now there is only an outline statement from the FIA the final rules are still to be finalized, the outline says, the new engine specification (2013) will be four cylinder 1.6l turbo with high pressure gasoline direct injection up to 500 BAR with a max of 12K RPM.
The current rules allow a fuel pressure of 100 BAR max and only an indirect (port) injection system.


December 13, 2010 6:47 AM

HAIRPIN, left out the following, wherever you read the 500PSI-34.5 bar fuel pressure it must have been a typo, I visit a lot of F1 sites but haven't came on it, as I said some time ago over here, such things we have to sort them out ourselves.


December 13, 2010 9:30 AM

Back to Volkswagen again, Hans Joachin Stuck says.
“The conditions for a possible entrance of the Volkswagen group have been greeted”
“The new engine rules are a good starting point for Volkswagen in formula one”
“Volkswagen is interested in the 2013 rules”

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