F1 » FIA: Team orders rule had to go


Enrico Gelpi: The team orders rule was very controversial because it is unclear what a team order is.

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malo - Unregistered

December 17, 2010 5:01 PM

i dont think he meant he would quit f1 if the rules were changed but if the team used team orders on him (like they did to massa) he would quit.

Calvin _

December 17, 2010 6:09 PM

I don't believe that the FIA put as much effort into this matter as it deserved. Team orders is one of the big issues in F1 affecting the show and therefore the revenue stream. They took the easy way out and got rid of the rule, thereby making racing a bit of a joke.

Doris Nutscrubber. - Unregistered

December 17, 2010 6:29 PM

Funny how it never had to go under max moseleys tenure.It only goes now under jean todt's tenure.
Funny that i wonder if it's got anything to do with todt being an ex Ferrari man and with ferrari being fined this year for using team orders.

I wonder if ferrari hadn't been caught using team orders if this rule would have had to go then.

And for all of you that say mclaren used team orders put up or shut up.
show us the evidence.

mmm - Unregistered

December 17, 2010 8:10 PM

The evidence was clear enough when Kova let Lewis through. You can disbelieve it all you like, but its true. Maybe you prefer to be taken for a ride.

Ak - Unregistered

December 17, 2010 8:32 PM

Lets also make betting legal and race fixing legal.

If a major better comes and pays mclaren to come second and lost the championship hence. Lets allow that since we have constructor championship points, a lot of R&D is involved & other blah blah. so lets just allow every Gawd dam* thing now!

What nonsense is this!

F1 is no longer a sport, just pure business!

Mark _

December 17, 2010 8:32 PM

@Doris - Prsumably you accept that Ferrari telling Massa that FA was faster was a team order. How is that any different than telling a driver to save fuel and that his team mate will not overtake him? Also how can you explain Kovi letting Lewis by in Hockenheim or halfway down the straight in France? In France it was really obvious as they had not even gotten close to the braking zone yet.

Alan D - Unregistered

December 18, 2010 12:02 AM

The problem with the team orders rule was that it was all knee jerk stuff. I don't know of any motor racing fan who was happy back when Barrichello had to pull over to let Schumi win, and the public reaction was so damaging that the FIA rushed in a rule saying "no team orders". But as Calvin said, they made no attempt ever to enforce it, to investigate possible cases of it, or to take measures to prevent it such as getting rid of those stupid radios.

So when Massa has to move over for Alonso there is another public outcry from a majority of fans who say that isn't what they pay to see, they find it insulting, and we get another knee jerk reaction of saying "Let's get rid of the rule then."

Alan D - Unregistered

December 18, 2010 12:10 AM

Another of the rules of the game is that the driver is not allowed to receive outside assistance during the race apart from when he is in his pit box. This rule, like the team order rule, tends to get misquoted by fans and TV commentators alike, and even the race stewards seem to have different ideas about what it means.

This season we've heard plenty of examples of all drivers being told over the radio how to adjust the cars, what buttons to press, etc. and we've even heard Massa's race engineer giving him coaching during the race about where to use the brakes. To my mind, that's a driver receiving outside assistance. If the driver can't drive the car without all this outside assistance over the radio then that's a design fault in the car.

AlanH - Unregistered

December 18, 2010 12:12 AM

I agree that the FIA have taken the easy way out on this issue. I believe team orders should be permitted but only when the driver being asked to move over has no mathematical chance of winning the drivers championship. The manipulation of results by teams before that situation comes to pass is against the spirit of even competition.

This is a bad move for the sport, which seems to have become more transparent in recent years. Trouble is, one of the major proponents of team orders is now the big man at the FIA. He punctured F1's reputation at Ferrari and appears unconcerned at doing the same at the FIA.

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