F1 » Brundle: People get too hung-up on a name

BBC F1 commentator Martin Brundle admits that the embarrassing ongoing naming row between Group Lotus and Team Lotus is 'confusing' - and hints that it is now time one of them backed down...

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January 21, 2011 12:12 PM

what is up with brundle talking bs so much right now this lotus situation will be sorted next week so shut up martin.

and to call him a star is joke it should the former driver who never won said..... crash sort the editorial 158 Grand Prix starts without a race victory, a pole position or a fastest lap = not that great or to put it another way career total points = 98 in a career and he talks like he knows everything he doesn't know how to win in f1

a star don't make me laugh

p1 - Unregistered

January 21, 2011 12:38 PM

Brundle what the hell are you on about?
Colin Chapman sets up Lotus cars as one company
Colin Chapman sets up Team Lotus racing as another company, two separate companies.

Racing side kept away from the road car side due to the cost of running a race car, if the race team goes bust, the road car side of things doesn't

So, Team Lotus went into liquidation, Tony Hunt bought the rights for that name, he is the legal owner of Team Lotus Racing, a company which has nothing to do with Lotus road cars, or Group Lotus.

Tony buys the rights for Team Lotus Racing, from the legal owner of that name, Tony Hunt.

Group Lotus didn't buy the Team Lotus Racing brand from Tony Hunt.

As for the Chapmans, they have lost all respect from me and hopefully other F1 fans, Colin Chapman was a great man, but it is clear the Chapman family are just in it for the money now and not the sport like Group Lotus are, where as the new Team Lotus Racing is in it for the sport.

That said, legally they both have th

Alan D - Unregistered

January 21, 2011 12:44 PM

Gurney, when you spelt out his racing record I was quite shocked. I knew he'd never won, and never outqualified Schuey when they were together at Benneton, but hadn't realised just how many races he'd taken to achieve not very much. To say he only scored 98 points is a bit misleading since it was in the days of 9-6-4 and only the top 6 drivers scored in a race, but 158 starts is an awful lot of starts, especially considering there were less races per season when he drove. I can't think of many drivers who drove that many races without a win at all.

Alan D - Unregistered

January 21, 2011 12:53 PM

P1: "So, Team Lotus went into liquidation, Tony Hunt bought the rights for that name"

That's the bit where the facts get fuzzy. Splitting up companies into groups like Chapman did with Lotus is common. Normally though, the parent company owns the names, trademarks, logos etc, not the individual companies, to stop them losing the brand if a subsidiary goes bust. Tony Hunt may have paid someone for the name but was it really for sale? Just because a liquidator thought it was an asset of Team Lotus doesn't mean he was correct, and the name didn't surface again until last year so Lotus had no way of disputing this claim.

Alan D - Unregistered

January 21, 2011 1:00 PM

AJ, I agree with you that Group Lotus has the high ground in this, although not because of support from the Chapman family. I think if someone wanted to start a team called, say, Senna GP, then it would be important to have the wholehearted support of the Senna family, (and by support, I don't mean paid support, I mean genuine from the heart support). But with Lotus, I think its the fact that Group Lotus has kept the brand alive in road cars which gives them the moral right to use the name.

Brad Riley - Unregistered

January 21, 2011 1:07 PM

Brundle is a star, he's a legend, he's the guy we want to hear when we tune in to F1.
He was a good racer as well, just unlucky I would say, but a good one none the less, no Schumacher though, but then Schumacher is never going to be a good commentator is he, so we all have our things that we are better than others at.
I must say though, Brundle was also exceptional at spectacular crashes.
Roll on the 2011 season, with Brundle and DC commentating, Paul Di Resta flying the flag for Scotland, 4 lotus cars, and Schumacher with a proper racer this year? We'll soon see

ivor - Unregistered

January 21, 2011 1:10 PM

@ guerneyflap & dim sparkle: of course he's a star. look at all the grand prix he drove in (and it wasn't because of the huge sponsorship and money he brought). how would he have driven in so many races if he wasn't any good.
And he was only very narrowly beaten by Ayrton Senna in F3

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