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Robert Kubica top of the pile following three days of testing in Spain

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Ak - Unregistered

February 03, 2011 5:20 PM

Why is it goddamn so difficult for crash to understand that Narain put in a 1.14 time??

Seriously, i want accurate information here not ur biased perspective that narain can not beat other drivers

OZF1Fan - Unregistered

February 03, 2011 5:48 PM

Lotus Renault GP-Renault? Isn't it a bit too confusing? In this case, Lotus is only a sponsor. The car is actually called a Renault, and uses a Renault engine. Since there are no other sponsors in the listings, I'd say the right thing to do is to avoid the use of "Lotus" in this case.
Leave that name for the other team only, because their car IS indeed called a "Lotus-Renault".

Alan D - Unregistered

February 03, 2011 5:50 PM

AK: "Why is it goddamn so difficult for crash to understand that Narain put in a 1.14 time??"

Why are you so sure that he did? Perhaps it was the other site you were looking at that got it wrong. Or if you were looking at live timings, probably what happened was he did a 1.14 time but did it by straight lining a chicane or something so they wiped that time off the board when they realised what had happened.

Alan D - Unregistered

February 03, 2011 5:57 PM

Oz: "Since there are no other sponsors in the listings"

Virgin is exactly the same. They are just a sponsor with naming rights but no-one complains about Virgin's name appearing in all the listings. When Virgin stops sponsoring them they'll go back to being called Manor F1. And HRT was Campos until HRT wrote a cheque.

In the case of Lotus, they have the option to buy a significant stake in the team over the next few years, which probably means that they are paying in five installments and this year all they get is their name on the car, next year they get 12% of the team, another 12% the year after that, and so on. Renault doesn't own any shares in the car any more, and it probably has as much involvement with the Lotus Renault as it does with the Red Bull Renault.

Martin Davies - Unregistered

February 03, 2011 6:09 PM

Oz has a point in the sense that the official team names for say, McLaren and Virgin are Vodaphone McLaren Mercedes and Marussia Virgin Racing, however, these are listed as McLaren and Virgin. Similarly, Ferrari's official names is Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro, but they are listed as Ferrari. It therefore makes sense to list the Renault team as Renault-Renault and Team Lotus as Team Lotus-Cosworth.


February 03, 2011 6:51 PM

martin, you are way behind the times!
renault do not own any part of the car, apart from the engine.
and team lotus cosworth? cosworth have no connection with "team lotus" , who are actually using renault engines.

AK - Unregistered

February 04, 2011 3:52 AM

AlanD, I am sure because F1dotcom says so on its website.

Those times are closest to official times on the official f1 website. Hence..

Martin Davies - Unregistered

February 04, 2011 5:02 PM

Yeah, I meant Lotus-Renault, my bad! Stuck in 2010...

The point is that no F1 team is frequently referred to by it's 'official' name (except by the sponsor-pleasing drivers of course!). You'll never hear Martin Brundle referring to the 'Vodafone McLaren' or the 'Ferrari Marlboro', in the same way that I doubt very much that commentators will refer to Kubica's team as 'Lotus Renault', correct or not, they'll probably call it 'Renault'...

I suppose it should really be called Lotus Genii-Renault if you want to be pendantic...!

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