F1 » Is Scuderia Toro Rosso the dark horse of F1 2011?

Following a couple of seasons in the doldrums, could the new Scuderia Toro Rosso STR6 be the car to turn around the fortunes of Red Bull's 'B' team in F1 2011? Many paddock observers seem to think so...

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mick - Unregistered

March 16, 2011 10:46 AM

There a lot of unknowns going into the 2011 season because of the new formula and could be some surprizes including STR but for sure Alonso will master the new rules before other drivers.

ads - Unregistered

March 16, 2011 10:54 AM

sorry but i just cant get behind this team. fair play they deserve any success that comes their way but everything just screams average to me from the car to the drivers. maybe i will be proved wrong but the whole team is just a bit dull for my liking. much prefer the likes of Force India.

Maveric - Unregistered

March 16, 2011 11:07 AM

I think given the close ran season last year and the help redbull got from renualt in the last race, redbull have perhaps realised how usefull it is to have a fast running b team able to act as wingmen and given how much "easier" overtaking will be in the coming year people will not be stuck before much lower cars as they have been in the past.

Alan D - Unregistered

March 16, 2011 11:55 AM

I find I have mixed feelings about STR. If Ferrari or Mclaren ran a B-team then people would be saying its just not right, so why can Red Bull/Toro Rosso do it? On the other hand, if Red Bull hadn't rescued whoever it was (Minardi?) and turned them into Toro Rosso, we'd have jsut lost a team completely, so I suppose pragmatism wins over idealism.


March 16, 2011 12:12 PM
Last Edited 1715 days ago

alan. str is not a b team . it is a team sponsored by red bull, but since the rules a couple of years ago, they are a completely independent team,(different owners) with no overlap, other than being a seat for red bull proteges. even when minardi, the team were able to spring some surprises. they have gone a reasonably unique route this season, and this seems to be reaping rewards. if vodafone took over (say) hrt, would you call it a mclaren b team. i certainly wouldnt. i hope str can get regularily in the points, and hope to see ricciardo in a seat there next year.

ads - Unregistered

March 16, 2011 12:27 PM

richard - a good point well made but i think to believe that STR are actually independent is a little ambitious. on paper and in the eyes of the official rules maybe but in the real world they have very little independence from Red Bull. If by some miracle the STR is faster than Red Bull you can put money on them being 'slowed down'

Alan D - Unregistered

March 16, 2011 12:36 PM

Richard, it isn't just sponsorship, its total ownership. Red Bull owns 100% of the STR shares.

It doesn't help when they have almost identical livery, took over the Ferrari engine contract originally negotiated for Red Bull, and weren't they also using the Red Bull chassis designs? Prior to 2010 it was certainly seen as a training ground for Red Bull prospects and that was reinforced when they promoted Vettel from the Toro Rosso to the Red Bull.

Suppose in 2010 that Vettel had been desperate for a point to win the championship and he had a Toro Rosso ahead of him. Do you think the STR driver would have held off Vettel as strongly as Petrov held off Alonso? Thankfully the situation never arose.

Taz - Unregistered

March 16, 2011 1:15 PM

Buemi is certainly no Seb and I doubt Alguersuari is either so unless teh car has a huge superiority over the rest of the cars (which it doesn't) I doubt the surpries will be that big

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