F1 » Parr: New engines will be good for F1

Williams chairman Adam Parr comments on the reasons why an engine change in 2013 will be good for F1

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April 21, 2011 1:11 PM

What a set of 'Flat earthers' most of you guys are. Why on earth can you not embrace change? F1 should rejuvinate itself and this engine change will allow more competition and will bring new teams into the sport. Some teams may leave and that is thier choice. But to say the removal of V8's is the end of F1 is wrong. The current V8 engines have normalised power outputs and the designs have been frozen for years. How is that competition? Give the engine designers a new challenge. It's long overdue.

Rob01 - Unregistered

April 21, 2011 2:08 PM

It's not the V8. It's the fact a 4cyl turbo is so easy a caveman could get it right. It will make F1 a saloon car series. As Sunny has said. If they go to the new engine formula, F1 should lose it's F1 designation.


April 21, 2011 4:58 PM

Macktheknife, you know FA about FI and engines in particular, the state of the current v8's which have nearly normalised power and having a design which have been frozen for years is the result/wish of the FIA specifically MM.
The proposed for 2013 engine will have more strictly controlled normalised power, design and indeed anything that makes an engine, in short the whole engine will be normalised as per the FIA.
So dumbo how will that be completion? Club racing maybe.

Stevei - Unregistered

April 21, 2011 10:42 PM

F1 should evolve and advancement of technology but let the engineers and boffins take care of the evolution. Just simple rules. A recipracating engine with a maximum engine displacment. A set amount of engines a year like now. KERS is fine but why limit it. I thought the whole idea would be to get the most from it as possible.
The capacity would have to small say 1.4l or even 1.2. Any configuration, any method of induction or exhaust. Total freedom in engine design. Be interesting to see what they could come up with.


April 22, 2011 9:01 AM

107SS2009 I may not know as much about engines as you, however I do know that the V8 racing engine is virtually unchanged from the early 1960's. Torque remains unchanged being around the same a standard bmw saloon car engine. The higher power outputs gained only by spinning the engine ever faster. And that my friend is not rocket science. Surely moving towards a lower revving turbo charged engine with a substantial KERS pack is a way forward. For certain the levels of torque will increase significantly, the power output will remain similar to today but fuel consumption should drop by at least 50%. This change will bring into F1 new companies that over the last two decades have been working on the development of electrical HSD's (High Speed Drives). Now is that not progress.


April 22, 2011 12:43 PM

Macktheknife, If spinning an engine at 20+k rpm is not rocket science I don't know what is.
For your information the intended by the FIA maximum power output of 600 hp from the proposed 1.6l is at least 150 hp short of what they have available today, far from the same level of power.
There is no way that fuel consumption can be reduced by 50% while producing the same level of power output at this level of engineering (F1 engine making) as HP is totally dependent on fuel burned, bear in mind that the present F1 v8 is by far the most efficient engine in the world.
Even producing 150 HP less from half the number of cylinders will not produce 50% less fuel consumption in fact they intend to have a mandatory fuel flow rate of 100kg/h which means 70% of the 150kg/h the v8's have, the implications of all this is the 1.6l will have to be run at an average of 79% of peak power.

Dangerous Dave - Unregistered

April 22, 2011 1:37 PM

If some of the "armchair pundits" who had commented on the engine changes in F1 had engineering degrees rather than a degree of stupidity then they might understand the question! Engine development and efficiency thrives in competitive enviroments such as F1, and these changes are necessary to justify the sport to all and sundry. The exhaust noise is still going to be there and we will adjust to it accordingly. Once efficiency is vastly increased, the power levels will return - its called technology!!!!


April 22, 2011 4:31 PM

@dangerous dave why should f1 have to justify itself to anyone motorsport is entertainment and nothing else leave development of road cars and sytems for road cars to the r&d teams who develop road cars f1 should remain as is it is its the whole sound smell and raw power that makes f1 the greatest show on earth dont fix what aint broken

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