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Williams chairman Adam Parr comments on the reasons why an engine change in 2013 will be good for F1

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dannyboy122

April 22, 2011 4:48 PM

the figures thrown out about how much the v8s cost was false the boss of cosworth said he had no idea where the fia got their figures from he said it cost half of what they said so i think its affordable enough its just the economy is no good right now give it a while and f1 will have more teams than ever with v8s

MacktheKnife

April 22, 2011 11:23 PM

107SS2009 If you think spinning and engine at 20k is rocket science then I suspect you don't know as much as you would have me believe. My bog standard motorcycle rev's to 16k! When looking at the new engine regulations I think you are missing some important factors. Todays V8's are probably no more than 30% efficient. Adding next generation turbos and 90% efficient electrical drives (the KERS system) will have a dramatic effect on efficiency and hence fuel consumption. Your figures ignored these important factors.

107SS2009

April 23, 2011 2:52 AM

Macktheknife, I don't pretend/claim to know much but I am 100% sure that what I said/wrote are exact facts.
Repeat, the F1 engine as is (developments restricted by the FIA) is the most efficient in the world by at least 20%.
The FIA is not and cannot be telling the truth or better say things are being mooted/hidden/kept low key and sweeteners are being thrown in all this is because the solo objective behind the 2013 engine is the total eradication of any and all dependence on engine/car manufacturers.
When the FIA says the present power will be matched and that fuel consumption will be halved they are not saying that The engine will strictly produce 600HP, KERS will produce 150HP, fuel flow will be restricted to 100KG/H, which means that the power of the engine can only be used for about 70/80 % of the race, the engine design will have to be used by all.

107SS2009

April 23, 2011 4:53 AM

What some of the so called modern F1 followers needs to understand is that (1) an F1 car driven by an electric motor and having the rear and front wings made out of solar panels is not attractive to the older generation of F1 followers.
(2) The present F1 administration is a huge improvement on the previous one and God forbid we go back in time but on this new for 2013 engine rule/s the objective is totally the same and there is absolutely no difference from what the previous administration wanted that is apart from the sweeteners being dropped in which the previous administration didn't know how to drop in.
(3) what is beyond me to understand is “and this includes some teams/personal which history shows are always the same once” some of the posters on here most probably the modern ones are now saying this will be good for FI but when the previous administration came out with it was not acceptable/terribly wrong/not good for FI.

MacktheKnife

April 23, 2011 11:06 AM

107SS2009 - Just to correct your information output. around 2005 The FIA was forced by the F1 teams to normalise engine power. Why? Because no other team could match the power output and relaibility of the Mercedes power plant. This resulted in the Merc's loosing some 15% of peak power. You are ineed correct the new engines will only be deliver full output for around 70% of lap. However this is true of the current engines. If you were to run the current engines at max output continuously they would fail pretty quickly. Not the case with the new engine with a 12K rev limit which would happily run all day long. Going back to my original point that F1 must change and it must be relevant to bring in new money.

107SS2009

April 23, 2011 2:53 PM

Macktheknife, your post is riddled with mistakes presumably carried over from wiki, so here are some corrections which even from memory I feel confident in quoting
Engine specification was frozen for 2007.
An equalisation for Renault and Toyota was agreed upon half way through 2008.
In 2009 Renault was allowed another upgrade.
Equalisation of all engines was never agreed upon and never materialised as MM said it can only take place by de tuning the most powerful, so contrary to what you said Mercedes never de tuned the engine and so never lost any power.
The 2013 engine per se will not be more economical it will be less powerful, as I said power produced is dependent on fuel burned.

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