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Jacques Villeneuve says Kimi Raikkonen didn't deserve the 2007 F1 title

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Yirmin Snipe - Unregistered

August 18, 2011 3:43 PM

If you want to be honest, nearly every WDC has been lucky to some degree... lucky they got the car they had, lucky their team mate was worse than they were, lucky they didn't have a car turn into a fireball in the pits, lucky their tire didn't blow on a high speed turn..... luck has always been a large part of racing.... so in one sense the comment is really pointless... JV was lucky he was squeezed from the right scrotum or he wouldn't have ever gotten a chance to drive a F1 car.

Taipan

August 18, 2011 4:17 PM

Yirmin, "squeezed from the right scrotum"! LMAO how true.

A.S. Winning these little American racing series means little in F1, look at Bourdais, 4 times Champ Car champion and useless in F1.
Or Michael Andretti, a complete tool in an F1 car, McLaren would have been better letting a spanner drive the car!

Taipan

August 18, 2011 4:44 PM

Williams have a bit of a habit of making "fortunate" one time champions when you think about it.

Rosberg in 82 thanks to a reliable Williams when Prost and Lauda's cars had a habit of breaking. He had only won a single GP in his entire career when he bacame champion!
Mansell in 92 thanks to the most advanced F1 car ever and a team mate that would have been happier on the golf course by that stage of his career.
Hill in 96 thanks to the best car on the grid that won 12 out of 16 races and having Villeneuve as a team mate who was little threat to anyone.
Villeneuve in 97 thanks to a car that was so good even Frentzen managed to win a race in it!

So there you go, 4 very lucky champions, I would hope that Frank Williams is top of their Christmas card list every year.

Mark _

August 18, 2011 8:56 PM

@Taipan you really can't compare the pre-split Indycar Series with the watered down Champcar Series that Bourdais took part in. That is like comparing F1 with A1GP. JV was an awesome talent in Indycar and F1. He had the best rookie season in F1 history. Sure he wasted most of his career at BAR but that really should not diminish his prior accomplishments. He was one of the first drivers to really race Schumacher wheel to wheel. The pass around the outside on the last corner in Estoril was brilliant.

On Michael Andretti it is true that he did not take F1 serious enough as he did not even bother to move to Europe. That car was dog and the team was clearly built around Senna. Once Michael started to figure things out they canned him.

Taipan

August 18, 2011 9:27 PM

Mark, I'll take your word on the differences between Indycar and Champcar because I never followed either.
But I can't agree that the 93 McLaren was a dog, Senna won 5 races in 93 with that car and was second only to Prost in a very good Williams. The third place that Andretti got at Monza was only because half the field failed to finish inc prost, Senna, Berger, Schumacher, Brundle, Herbert etc, Infact Andretti may have finished third but he was still lapped by Hill and Alesi.
The cold truth is that Andretti was not good enough to be in F1, he just couldn't deal with an F1 car, nothing to do with not moving to Europe or Ron backing Senna, those issues will not have helped him but the main problem was a severe lack of talent at that level.

JosephG - Unregistered

August 18, 2011 10:23 PM

Kimi was a bloody fast racer ask DC,Montoya...Jack Villeneave should be lucky not was kimis team partener when kimi was hungry.if kimi was lucky to be a champion then he should be by far the luckyest to win the championship.

Mark _

August 19, 2011 12:36 AM

@Taipan - you are probably right about Andretti. I was never a fan of his in either series. I still think that the car was not very good though. It just showed that at times Senna was able to rise above it's faults on race day. Even then getting passed by Irvine in the Jordan really shows that it was a dog. Indycar has never been at the same level as F1 but in the last 20 to 30 years it was probably the closest just before the split. The cars are different enough that it is really not fair to say which series has the best drivers. Some drivers will excel in one or the other while a rare few can excel at both. Even Mansell had a dismal year in his second Indy season.

We forgot to mention Montoya as he did very well in both yet he cannot win on an oval in NASCAR.

Taipan

August 19, 2011 1:05 AM

Mark, The Irvine passing Senna move, I think that was when Eddie un-lapped himself and upset Senna so much that Ayrton punched Eddie in the face after the race! happy days lol.
I agree that its hard to compare Indy-Champ etc and F1. I think the main problem that even great drivers from those series have is coping with the complexity of an F1 car, it's just a different animal to any other racing car on the planet.

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