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Mark Webber says IndyCar can learn from F1 after the death of Dan Wheldon

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bjr - Unregistered

October 20, 2011 10:41 PM

....As I recall some famous bloke died last year in the Aussie V8 series. Where was the outrage and F1 is superior comments then?...

Actually IIRC, he was a nobody (except to his family and friends) in a V8 based support class at Bathurst during practice. Nice of them to keep the poor bloke alive on life support over the weekend so as not to dampen the mood of the event. Switched him off on the Monday or Tuesday.

ENRICO - Unregistered

October 20, 2011 11:07 PM

@Richard Commodores Ect.
You guys have a deep knowledge of motorsports but i think sometimes,you try to analize too much in order to win an argument.

To me this are simple laws of phisics,

unmovable objects , speed, number (competitors).

To me the 3 above mentioned, will always pose an unsourmoutable dilemma and obsticle to human safety, and all the discussions(technical) are just peripheral to these.


October 20, 2011 11:09 PM

It was simple physics.
Oval racing has a very large speed differential after a car crashes. One car stopped and a pack at 200mph bearing down on it.

F1 crashes are generally two cars at speed, similar speeds, and as the cars come out of a corner, the flag marshals can do their work in time. There just isn't the time on ovals.

Mark _

October 20, 2011 11:12 PM

bjr - that is not the one I was thinking of. Maybe it was the Tasman series. I had not heard of the guy before but as I recall he was very well known down there.

Renegade - it is impossible to know for sure but it has been reported that the catch fencing sheared the roll hoop off of the car. If that is the case then possibly it would have been survivable had the car hit the safer barrier instead.

Rob - Unregistered

October 21, 2011 12:11 AM

Mark - I'm not sure the safer barrier would've worked as you expect. The last death in an Indy/Champcar race was Greg Moore. His car hit the (albeit concrete) barrier on the inside of the track at highspeed at 90degrees to the vertical head first. I watched the race live, and you instantly knew things wouldn't go well.

Oval racing, as part of a well balanced schedule of street, road and even airport courses is fantastic. Champcar/Cart from the early 90's (Mansell's venture to Indycar in '93 is the first time I saw it) until the early 2000's before the big teams made the switch to IRL were far better races than F1 could offer up!

bjr - Unregistered

October 21, 2011 12:12 AM

@Mark. Peter Brock might be who you're thinking of. He got killed a few years back near Perth, but it was hardly a "real" racecar and it certainly wasn't on a real track.

Not too many people cry over the one or two deaths and X number of permanantly disabled in motorcycle racing every year in Aus. I'm not cold but the first word of every riders briefing I've attended starts off with

"Motorcycle racing is dangerous, you may be injured or killed, your machinery may be damaged or destroyed, other competitors may ride dangerously and/or with lack of skill....." it goes on and on but it's up to the competitor to accept/manage the risks or leave the sport.


October 21, 2011 3:17 AM

@ Mark:

The person you are thinking of died whilst competing in a open wheel Formula Ford Event.

It was his first event following on from Go-Karting
and was T Boned by another competitor.

We have not experienced a death in the V8s for sometime due to the safety aspects introduced.


It is the V8s competing at Surfers this Weekend with International Drivers being introduced as Co-Drivers. Indy Cars have not competed here for 3 years. The V8s are contesting 2 300 Klm enduro events over the weekend. Practice is presently taking place.

@ Enrico

I am unable to fathom your post/comment

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