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Mark Webber says IndyCar can learn from F1 after the death of Dan Wheldon

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October 21, 2011 1:18 PM

Wow, this has become personal. Lots of speculation. I would like to point out to the nimrod who posted IRL is going to closed wheel for 2012, that is totally absurd.
Lost in these diatribes though, is that Dan was a fine man with a family. A terrible loss. He was just unlucky, and yes there were to many cars on the track. By way of corporate greed, Dan is dead.


October 21, 2011 1:21 PM
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First - I grew up 30 minutes from Brands Hatch (first went there mid sixties) - and now, for some 10 years, have lived in Texas, so have experienced racing on both sides of the Atlantic. A lot of racing here, on short-track ovals, mostly dirt, started on fairgrounds, and that concept of entertainment being paramount has always remained, over "pure" racing.

Nascar's ascendancy as the most popular series has been only fairly recent, and, in part was allied to CART's fracture into the 2 series. The one thing they (Nascar do better than almost any other series in the worl, including F1, is to package their "racing" (I hate it) as a family entertainment, right down to driver accessability to the fans, plus hard-core coverage on both network and satellite channels. Most other domestic series are on a hiding to nothing to try to usurp

The turkey - Unregistered

October 21, 2011 1:29 PM

Two points that struck me watching that crash

- the effect of gravity on the banked sections, pulling wrecked cars and debris down from the top wall & catch fence ACROSS THE RACING LINE

- fuel fires: many cars burst into flame on initial impact. Can't remember the last time that happened in F1


October 21, 2011 1:32 PM

Nascar from it's present position. F1 will always be a "niche" sport here - in part as it is a true global championship, and the obsession here is with domestic competions being billed as "world series" - something to do with the disinterest of many Americans with what goes on beyond their shores (and the marketing departments of the various sports).
Having said all this, a Friday night at the local speedway is, usually, very entertaining - in fact, when the World of Outlaw sprint cars are there, it's a true spectacle - 30 or so 700hp cars all together on a dirt surface is really something else. But it's not what I call "pure" racing - I would much rather still see a driver such as Jimmy Clark on the very very edge in a drift round the original Woodcote, or down into Paddock Bend any day of the week, rain or shine. Mainstream racing here will never be like that.

Just referring to the Las Vegas race for a moment - I see that the organiser has apologised for his pre-race comment that th


October 21, 2011 1:36 PM

walrus. as far as i have seen, indy in 2012 will be using a dallara chassis, which is built so bodywork comes out to outer tyre wall, both front and rear. whilst it will not be fully enclosed wheels, nevertheless, it will not be open wheeled either. the risks of wheels interlocking or riding over another cars wheels will be gone. do you not consider that an improvement?


October 21, 2011 1:40 PM
Last Edited 1497 days ago


Mate I don't see this as becoming personal.

I didn't know Dan.Expected to meet him on Wednesday in Australia.

I see the same as you. We are missing the point that Dan left behind a partner and two children through an
accident that could and should have been prevented

@ Richard:

Only the rear portion. Take a look at the picture on the Indycar page

Yirmin - Unregistered

October 21, 2011 2:33 PM

For the record I have, not at any high level but enough to know that you don't slipstream off the car beside you, its the car in front that helps... lord, anyone that has even driven behind a large truck on the freeway knows that you get the pull when your behind, not the side.

Suicidal Racing - Unregistered

October 21, 2011 2:37 PM

The most important point everybody is missing is that a huge percentage of the people who attend these NASCAR and IRL races on ovals go exactly because they love to see the carnage. When a race ends with no accidents (which is uncommon) they leave the track disappointed and feel they didn't get a good show for their money. So removing ovals is going to kill the series' owners profit. It's like watching a UFC fight and no one throws a punch.

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