F1 » Herbert: Massa penalty justified

Johnny Herbert says it was the right decision to hand Felipe Massa a penalty for contact with Lewis Hamilton in India

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Dario - Unregistered

November 01, 2011 3:33 PM

The one recent pass I can compare this to is Alonso and Webber. Alonso could have kept his nose in, claimed that he had position, Webber would have come across and they would have had a colossal crash.

But Webber had trust in Alonso that he'd pull back. Same thing could have happened here, where Massa would have believed Ham wouldn't have had a passing opportunity and would have pulled back. So Massa took his normal line. And if you look at Ham's onboard, he didn't have a pass anyway.

Clondikemike - Unregistered

November 01, 2011 3:34 PM

Before all the Crash experts come out and start ripping Herbert to shreds along with the stewards with there armchair experiences Herbert sums it up as it was. "It could have been avoided". Just like it was when Lewis hit Kobyashi. Don't twiiter on about racing lines who should have been where who was on the brake off it or trying to get in or out. Massa turned in on Hamilton and didn't have to. Not saying he did it on purpose but it was deffo an avoidable collision.
Well done J.H and the stewards. Another correct decision.

Clondikemike - Unregistered

November 01, 2011 3:54 PM

And how many angles did you see it from, what telemetry did you have access to??

How many steward panels you sat on. From what F1 experience are you drawing on.

Err, another armchair expert.


November 01, 2011 4:07 PM

clondike. isnt every accident avoidable? massa could have avoided it had he decided to let lulu monster him. lulu could have avoided the accident, by holding back and waiting for the drs zone beyond the corner. all these massa/lulu accidents have occurred when lulu is actually behind massa, on the road. so maybe lulu just needs to be a little more circumspect. a leading car, no matter who it is, has a right to defend his position, it is up to the overtaking car to make a clean pass.

Baz - Unregistered

November 01, 2011 4:11 PM

@Dario are you blind or something?

Massa saw were Hamilton was. he looked 4 times, once of which was when Hamilton had half his car down the inside. Massa was ignornet in the move he pulled and cost himself time by getting the drive through. Massa has only himself to blame.


November 01, 2011 4:25 PM

Yes every accident is avoidable, but avoidable by what action by whom? In this case, avoidable by Massa leaving space. Not realistically avoidable by Hamilton guessing Massa was going to turn in on him.

Clondikemike - Unregistered

November 01, 2011 4:35 PM


I claim no expertise on accidents so I could not tell you whether they are avoidable or not. I'll take your word for it.
With regard to the incident and subject this was an avoidable contact in other words an avoidable collision. The stewards have studied the telemetry, different camera angles and hve concluded, in their most humble opinions, that Massa could have avoided the collision.
I don't know where in the rules it states that it is up to the overtaking car to make a clean pass or has the right to the racing line but under no circumstances should any driver cause a collision as stated in section 16 of the sporting regulations.

Mac83 - Unregistered

November 01, 2011 4:40 PM

I suggest anyone wishing to see massas intentions for the race re-watch the start and watch his big twitch towards Hamilton at the first corner. Go do it now before commenting

Clondikemike - Unregistered

November 01, 2011 4:40 PM

16.1 "Incident" means any occurrence or series of occurrences involving one or more drivers, or any action by
any driver, which is reported to the stewards by the race director (or noted by the stewards and referred to
the race director for investigation) which
- necessitated the suspension of a race under Article 41
- constituted a breach of these Sporting Regulations or the Code
- caused a false start by one or more cars
- caused a collision
- forced a driver off the track
- illegitimately prevented a legitimate overtaking manoeuvre by a driver
- illegitimately impeded another driver during overtaking.
Unless in the opinion of the race director it was completely clear that a driver was in breach of any of the
above, any incidents involving more than one car will normally be investigated after the race.

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