F1 » Ecclestone: Europe 'good for tourism, but not F1'

F1 ringmaster Bernie Ecclestone has warned that Europe faces loses many of its current races.

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swingaxle8 - Unregistered

December 02, 2011 5:37 PM

As an American this is sad. I've watched F1 since the Senna, Prost, Mansell(to name a few and when it was ACTUALLY racing) and I can't believe that Bernie wants F1 to go down this road. He doesn't care about the teams, fans, drivers, nobody. He's doing to F1 what Brian France is doing to NASCAR. I hate NASCAR but I've already seen the effects of taking races away from core groups of fans of demographic areas just to cater to corporations and it's screwing up the sport. Why don't people ever learn?


December 02, 2011 6:05 PM

thorborg. i guess that you have not been watching f1 for very long. i think that you will find that nearly all of TRUE f1 fans, abhor the thought of f1 being removed from europe. many of our great tracks have been emasculated or dropped. these tracks are where f1 was founded, and it is bernies insistence of astronomical fees for the privelige of holding a gp, that has seen the demise of many tracks as they can no longer obtain the income to pay his fees.
it appears that you are happy to sit by your tv watching cars circulate on artificial tilke tracks. maybe you should watch oval racing instead?


December 02, 2011 6:12 PM

Bernie is playing a game with F1, and at the moment it's a game that unfortunately only he can win.

He's more than happy to get new countries to spend on developping new tracks and then pay him top dollar for the right to stage races for 4 or 5 years, knowing that the more curcuits there are that can host a race then the more he can squeze out of the older traditonal venues. He's not bothered about some falling by the wayside in the short term as he has plenty of new countries wanting to jump in.

Once he's reached a stage where no more new countries are interested and some more have fallen by the wayside, then he can start the merrygoround again, offereing insentives to get countries that have left to get them back in.
Or even more radical, when he has say 30 countries where there are circuits that are up to F1 grade then he could shrink the calendar to say 14 or 15 races and really pump money out of the ones that are willing to stump up a hugely inflated price.

Hate him but he is


December 02, 2011 6:25 PM

Clondikemike - '...that is where the industry needs to move into and have showcase events.'

'Showcase events' - are you toatally serious, places like Abu Dhabi, disinfected, sanitized, plastic curcuits with no character, it's straight out of PlayStation - no sorry the playstation version is more realistic than the actual circuit.

Richard - sorry about this, but I must admit I'm with you on this one.

Parasite-hater - Unregistered

December 02, 2011 7:11 PM

Top-level sport of all kinds is far more expensive to stage and attend than it was in the '70s or 80s. The elderly vertically-challenged one has simply exploited this to his own personal advantage. Ecclestone's success lay in identifying 'rights' which have been exploited ever since, though arguably not for the common good. Many may dislike this (I certainly do!) but look around and see what riches professional sport (or Olympic sport) in general has garnered. Many sports nowadays are controlled by people who evoke reactions including loathing and envy, so Mr E is hardly unique. It may be a pity that British TV probably cannot afford to stage 'I'm a billionaire, get me out of here', as I think I might tune in to watch a group of them conspiring and manouevering to come out on top, especially if such a series featured a real greasy pole to be climbed.

However annoying this may be, Mr E isn't concerned about poor people. As long as rich corporations believe that they can gain from explo

Clondikemike - Unregistered

December 02, 2011 8:00 PM
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Bob Cratchet
Do you honestly think I meant a showcase for fans? When are people going to get it. F1 is no longer a sport. The fans are secondary. Income is not derived by bums on seats. Showcasing is there for uber millionaires to entertain clients and drink champagne. Its a showcase for multi national corps to send there salespeople to coller lucrative contracts. Get over the idea that the fans matter. How much impact has the decision to move UK TV coverage to Sky? Does the fans reaction make a difference? They, not just Ecclestone but all in F1 don't care about fans. And yes the TV audience is in Europe and as long as they continue watching the races on offer then they will continue staging races where the money is as long as we keep watching it.

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December 02, 2011 8:25 PM
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clondike. "the fans are secondary". well, thanks a lot! the fans, are everything. 99.9 percent follow f1 through the medium of tv. that is why a large percentage of f1 income comes from tv rights. remove these fans, and f1 could not exist, except for those rich enough to afford to attend a gp in person.
and the tv audience is world wide, not just in europe.
finally your comment, which seems to have been censored, that those who watch it are xxxxheads? i presume that you watch the races so that must make you a xxxxhead too! (not trying to be insulting!)


December 02, 2011 9:10 PM

As far as staging more GP's in the Middle East goes, like everything over here it will all become one dimentional, there is no bending, no flexability, it's their way or the high way, that's what huge money does, just bend over and wait for it, all this will result in boring races and a boring experience for the spectator, and yes I have been in this part of the world for a long time, I'm an Aussie and even I agree that the sport needs to be held onto in Europe, otherwise what's the point.


December 02, 2011 9:28 PM

You haven't really thought this through, F1 just like any other racing series is dependent on it's market i.e. the fans, punters, tv watchers, call us what you like but dont be abusive.

Q. Where does the majority of the money that runs the teams come from?
A. Sponsorship.

Q. Are those sponsors there from the goodness of their hearts?
A. Definately not.

Q. Why do they pour money into the sport then?
A. It is all to do with marketing, the more you give a team the more prominent your brand is displayed on clothing, cars and equipment, a main sponsor will have their name incorporated into the team's name such as Vodafone, Petronas, AT&T and Red Bull.
These main sponsors even have the drivers contracted for so many days a year for marketing purposes.

The more succesfull a team is on the track the easier it is for it to secure sponsorship because that sposnor will have greater exposure to the watching public than with a lower team, for instance it would be intersting to know wha


December 02, 2011 9:30 PM

... for instance it would be intersting to know what percentage of the time is a Red Bull car prominent on screen during a race as opposed to say a HRT, the marketing people know to the second I'll bet.

Take away the watching public and the sposnsors will soon disapear, soon after that the teams are gone!

No bob in my name BTW! Nothing to do with Dikcens character.

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