F1 » Ferrari, Red Bull to quit FOTA

Leading teams to call time - and trouble - on FOTA following RRA row.

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devilsadvocate - Unregistered

December 02, 2011 5:49 PM

Bystander... My take is that if it were just Ferrari I would be inclined to believe it was as you put it, takin their ball to another playground, seeing as redbull has jumped on this, I think it is more probably the latter. I have never really seen what FOTA has done to be honest. There seem to be so many loopholes in the rra that it really keeps the post cost cutting hierarchy with perhaps slightly lower reported numbers that mostly come from the testing ban rather than anything else.


December 02, 2011 5:53 PM

taz. inventive accounting could be one reason why merc want to limit their spend, as they know that they can offset the spend on their engines to force india and mclaren. ferrari may do this too. i had hopes that an united fota could have created an alternative series, and this was a possibility with luca at the helm. now that whitmarsh is at the helm, this is less likely.


December 02, 2011 6:25 PM

Shouldn't someone set the rules for competitors in a business enterprise such as racing, and then let the competitors apply for a position in the show? The rules can't be bad for the competitors or they will develop an alterntive. So how bad are the rules if the majority of the competitors agree with them. If somebody wants to break away and start an alternative, wouldn't he have to have people who agreed with him -- people to play/compete with? Where are those people/teams that agree with Ferrari? That's why Ferrari's tantrums have never gone anywhere before. So who else wants to pony up with Ferrari for another series......OK...speak up...I'm waiting.... So can F1 do without Ferrari better than Ferrarican do without F1? F1 is the raison-detre for Ferrari!!!


December 02, 2011 6:34 PM

nutball. its all about money, and who controls the purse strings? bernie! like him or loathe him, he has created huge rewards for those who sign up.
over the last two years, there were several occassions where fota were on the point of a breakaway series, with the agreement of most of the teams, but in the end, fia or bernie have backed down. so they were a force, but alas no more.
already bernie is saying that he has to keep ferrari in the picture and is offering them a bigger slice of the profits under the next concorde agreement. ferrari is important to f1, despite what some might say. if ferrari withdrew, who would mclaren have to fight with?


December 02, 2011 7:08 PM

the importance to Ferrari in F1 is greatly overstated in my opinion. if they left people would miss them for a while but the sport would go on... fans are fickle and memories short.

i agree FOTA was a force, always better to bargin as a union rather than an individual, i'm sure bernie will now adopt the age old 'divide and conquer' strategy.

in effect all this means is a shift in the balance of power towards bernie and FOM.


December 02, 2011 8:04 PM

Without Ferrari and RBR FOTA has no teeth, If a deal is not made to bring Ferrari and RBR back to the fold then I'm sure other teams will also pull out of FOTA soon enough.
The teams should have more control of F1, that's why FOTA exists but Bernie and Co only listen to FOTA when it gets to the point of the teams (usually lead by Ferrari) pulling out.

To the one above, don't underestimate Ferrari's part in F1, without Ferrari F1 loses it's biggest asset, that's why Bernie listens when they threaten to pull out.

kranalif - Unregistered

December 02, 2011 8:28 PM

Have to agree with some of the comments. I am not a Ferrari fan, but without Ferrari, FOTA and F1 would be something else.

Oh Bernie boy! you must be so happy!

DJ - Unregistered

December 02, 2011 8:59 PM

And how on earth were this bunch going to run there own series?? Can't even agree on how much to spend and what are we talking circa 60mil..


December 02, 2011 9:41 PM

Cool the sport that just keeps on giving! Two teams having different agendas is the top layer. When the next layers are peeled back, I expect a new organization and the death of FOTA, with a shift in the balance of powers. It's Unions vs Management 101.


December 02, 2011 10:11 PM

Of cause Ferrari are desperate to raise budgets, so a load of the smaller teams cannot afford to stay in Formula 1 in future so they have more leverage to push through the 3rd car rule (3 car teams), which they are almost obsessed with, and if they can buy the F1 title in the mean time = 2 birds with 1 stone...

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