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Leading teams to call time - and trouble - on FOTA following RRA row.

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ArtofSpeed - Unregistered

December 03, 2011 5:46 AM

F1 is supposed to be the technological pinnacle for single seat formula racing cars, but over the last couple of years if has become more and more like the worlds most expensive Formula Ford racing series. Everyone with the same number of cylinders, same bore, same stroke, same size and make of tires, the only way to tell them apart is the sponsor decals now and the next step will be all the teams get together before the race and decide who's turn it will be to win this time so it is all well balanced. Racing is supposed to be about competition and pushing the limits, there are a many out there that seam to think regulating everything helps the smaller budget teams, i am of the opinion it is just the opposite. Racing especially the top series like F1 and Le Mans should be pushing the limits, this is where a smaller budget team with innovation and new ideas and materials can beat big money teams, you just got to look at Toyota big $$ and Honda with no results to speak of vs Brawn GP an

107SS2009

December 03, 2011 6:00 AM

2PAC has a right for his personal opinion but as it's his old style balderdash it is not worth an answer.
Recently LDM took aim at the future of F1 when he said, Formula one is still our life, but without FERRARI there is no F1 just as without F1 FERRARI would be different, If they still want FERRARI then FI must change and go back to being about advanced research.
All at F1 would do better listen to what LDM said.

107SS2009

December 03, 2011 6:09 AM

Artofspeed, agree with all you said but for the last part, what Brawn raced was a Honda made and by Honda money and before you fire off about the engine used forget about it as the engine didn't win that championship the car (DDD) did.

Peter - Unregistered

December 03, 2011 10:50 AM

ArtofSpeed if you were the president of the FIA - F1 would be dead within a couple of years.

Why did Ford BMW Toyota and Honda pull out of F1 - COST not for the reasons you outlined.

Peter - Unregistered

December 03, 2011 10:58 AM

Note also MotoGP is in trouble - Suzuki has pulled out and Ducati could be next - yet Moto2 is very well supported and exciting.

The general public care very little about F1 technology and Bernie has not helped. people just want exciting racing like Moto2 and superbikes

richard

December 03, 2011 11:02 AM

peter. ford pulled out because they were not instantly successful
toyota pulled out because they were in the middle of a recall scandal
honda pulled out because they were facing overall financial difficulties, but not before they had created a wdc winning car.
it was outside influences that decided their fate, NOT the cost of running in f1.

Peter - Unregistered

December 03, 2011 11:25 AM

Richard but in the end for Ford BMW Toyota and Honda the cost could not be justified. Obviously Ferrari and Red Bull want to call the shots or will also go and I fear where they will take F1.

tm - Unregistered

December 03, 2011 11:53 AM

"The general public care very little about F1 technology and Bernie has not helped. people just want exciting racing like Moto2 and superbikes"
Peter: the manufacturers are not the people. Manufacturers don't care about exciting racing, they care about the R&D opportunities prototype classes offer, and the status if they get it right (aka win). If they can't invest in R&D, there is no reason for them to be participating. F1 is not GP2, and MotoGP is not Moto2, nor should they be.

richard

December 03, 2011 1:08 PM

peter. the three teams mentioned were all making money from their f1 committment, through sponsorship etc so it was not a decisio that they were losing too much. it was a marketing decision to the effect that they were not getting enough publicity (ford) or it was negative (toyota). some small teams fail as they do not attract sponsorship or else they dont share in the f1 payout.
merc are in a sticky position, they are not getting enough in sponsorship, they are paying high retainers etc. in their case, the board of daimler must be worried.

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