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Adrian Newey admits that ban on blown diffusers has led to a change in approach for 2012

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Matt - Unregistered

December 17, 2011 7:11 AM

SS - Just giving my 2 cents for 2012 !
As for the Spitty, that's the greatest prop driven plane that ever existed. There wouldn't be a Mustang if not for the Brits asking the Yanks to build it and the P51-D would never have been any good without the Spitty
Merlin. The first Stang was a low level reconnaisance plane cause it was so crap they couldn't use it for dogfighting. Even American Aces that flew both planes would pick the Spit hands down in a fight to the death battle.


December 17, 2011 7:46 AM

matt. saw a tv programme recently on tv, and the stang was voted the best plane of ww2. that was the D though. the earlier connotations were nothing startling. when it was given the merlin and the bubble canopy, irs performance far exceeded the spit. but its really "horses for courses" . merlins were used in lancs, mossies and even tanks! still being used in some projects today. all it needed was fuel injection.

Matt - Unregistered

December 17, 2011 8:05 AM

Richard - Let me guess, was it an American TV show ?
The only thing the Stang truly had the Spit beat on was range. The Stang was a long range bomber escort and had many roles, the Spit an interceptor and thoroughbred dogfighter. Both were the best at their designed roles, but in an actual dogfight the Spit wins and that was a test done by the USAF. The spit is lighter, better power to weight ratio, better climb, better turn and roll.
The Luftwaffe would happily take on Stangs unless they were in great numbers, they thought their planes were equal. But they were s**t scared of Spitfires. I've done lots of homework on this. You're a Brit, get behind the Spit !


December 17, 2011 2:51 PM

matt.. no curiously it was a british programme! and interesting that someone mentions that adrian looks like messerschmidt...the early mustangs looked like a copy of the 109.
the last itteration of the spit, with clipped wings was good, but otherwise the stang could actually out turn the standard model. but dont forget the hurri, it was made in more numbers than the spit, and could sustain far more damage and be quickly repaired. but i do adnmit that the spit was the most evocative.

ps watched "battle of britain" film on german tv. weird to hear the spitfire pilots saying "achtung, messerschmidt"!

back on topic, there is a good similarity in engineering between newey and mitchell. both innovators and thinking outside the box.

kikiriki - Unregistered

December 17, 2011 5:39 PM

After WW II, allies divided their trasures between them and Brits took all German plane plans and drawings.
After all after WW II, F1 did gain a lot from aircraft program. There are a lot of similarities between them.
Also, that's why British gained an advantage post WW II in F1.

What is worth, Spitfire was "One in a million"


December 17, 2011 6:56 PM

Before world war two no British car had dared to challenge the crack German and Italian teams after the war, Britons found that they had access to some but not all of the Axis secrets of racing success, leading the search for financing to build a car that would exploit this knowledge (BRM TYPE 15 1.5LITRE V16) was Raymond Mays.

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