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Adrian Newey admits that ban on blown diffusers has led to a change in approach for 2012

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Matt - Unregistered

December 19, 2011 4:52 AM

To cap this off since we hijacked this thread:

Mustang: Was the best "all round" plane, like Alosno is the best all rounder F1 driver, but that means its not the best in all the areas except range and fuel efficiency because of the laminar flow wing.

Spitfire: Was the best pure dogfighter (the point I was always trying to make) It's around 3000 pounds lighter, better power to weight = better climb and acceleration, elliptical wing = better maneuverability .
USAAF pilot Charles McCorkle (who flew both in combat), reporting on a mock combat between a Spitfire and Mustang in 1944: "Now we could see which was the better aircraft...a Mustang and a Spit took off for a scheduled 'combat', flown by two top young flight commanders. When the fighters returned, the pilots had to agree that the Spitfire had won the joust. The Spit could easily outclimb, outaccelerate, and outmaneuver its opponent..."

Ptolomy - Unregistered

December 19, 2011 11:58 AM

Well then, I guess the FW-190 was superior to the Mustang then, because it was known to be superior to the Me-109 that was known to be equivalent to the Spitfire.
The FW-190 is the best then.
But Newey would have thought the Me-109 was the best because it was an aerodynamically pure fighter!


December 19, 2011 12:21 PM

ptolomy. the 190 was reckoned to be the best ww2 fighter plane in the air, particularly the latest TA iterations. pity it was on the losing side, though.

but i would disagree about the 109. its aero was like a brick compared to stang and spit. as i mentioned earlier, the early stangs actually looked like the 109,but the packard merlin ones were smoothed out and given aerodynamic canopies, and their speed increased dramatically.


December 19, 2011 4:46 PM

Agree with Matt, the Mustang was the best all rounder but when compared with the Spitfire, the best all rounder of them all was the BF109, interceptor/ bomber escort/ fighter bomber/ day, night all weather fighter/ ground attack aircraft/ reconnaissance aircraft, the most produced aircraft in history (over 33k in 9 years) the BF109 remained competitive with what the allied nations came up with and that included the Spitfire and Mustang.


December 19, 2011 5:37 PM

sunny. why do you think that so many 109s were made?

because they were replacing ones that had been shot down!

i always believed that they were very rugged, but it seems that they must have had a few weak points. the strongest point in favour of the 109 and 190,was their use of fuel injection. the merlins etc used carbs and suffered from fuel starvation in climbs and tight turns

Ptolomy - Unregistered

December 20, 2011 12:07 AM

The last Version of the FW-190 was the most deadly piston engined pure fighter plane of the war. The TA-152.
But all existing aircraft were made obsolete by the German's massive leap into the future with the Me 262 jet fighter.


December 20, 2011 9:07 AM

ptolomy. i see that you agree with me about the ta. but it just raises a question, to which you might know the answer.
i know that the 190 was designed by kurt tank, but why did they change the naming to ta, from fw?

Ptolomy - Unregistered

December 20, 2011 11:21 AM

The history I remember reading said that "Ta" was to honor the designer, Kurt Tank. And because the design had changed so much from the original FW-190 design that it was indeed a "new" model. Basically every component on the plane was different. Only the cockpit was similar to the original FW-190's. New engine. New prop. New tail. New wings. Fuselage extensions in front and rear of the cockpit. New flight control system. And new armament. Everything was improved. And thats starting from one of the best designs in the first place.
Newey would have loved it I'm sure!

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