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Adrian Newey admits that ban on blown diffusers has led to a change in approach for 2012

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December 20, 2011 2:56 PM

This subject (someone called it page high jacking) was started by Eddie originally about the beautiful (British) engineering of the Merlin xx as used in both the Spitfire and the Mustang, both planes were promptly started to be compared, all this when they were not meant (designed) to do the same job, at this point someone mentioned that the Mustang was a copy of the BF109, a plane that both the Spitfire and the Mustang were meant to partially combat, first of all Eddie might not know what an innovation (beauty) the inverted engine of the 109 was with its cannon engine timed to fire through the air screw blades, secondly the subject is being high jacked again (diverted) with the introduction of the radial engine 190.

Matt - Unregistered

December 21, 2011 1:28 AM

SS - Agreed. But talking about WW2 planes is awesome. Old plane designers hit the drawing board just like Newey dose with pencil on paper. The 109 were a helluva plane, and it's interesting how the Spit and 109's kept evolving and becoming better than each other with each mark at the start of the war and through it, just like in F1.
It's a shame Mitchell died so early, as it would be pretty easy to see him develop the Spit to be 10 times better than the people who took over from him. You could say Newey is like the Mitchell of F1. The 109 was superior in fire power and having fuel injection, the Spit could out turn and out maneuver it easy.

Matt - Unregistered

December 21, 2011 2:07 AM

Also, two good doco's to watch are:

Spitfire vs ME 109, Contest of Fighters (1/2)

1/4- Spitfire vs Mustang

Spitfire, the legend, the facts and its opponents (1 of 5)

There's some good Luftwaffe ones around too.


December 21, 2011 3:04 AM

Mark, yes talking history especially WW2 combat machinery is awesome, what I was trying to say is (and I can't figure out why and how) why do people start comparing two planes which were designed for different tasks? And does the Spitfire which could turn a tighter circle make's it better than the BF109? Is the plethora of other tasks that the BF109 could carry out being forgotten?

Matt - Unregistered

December 21, 2011 4:02 AM

SS - Yes, I think it's actually better to compare the Mustang and the 109 as they are both offensive, long range and multiple task planes. The Luftwaffe thought their planes equal to the Stang.
The spit is a different beast. It's a defensive, short range interceptor/dogfighter.
If you were going up in the air for pure fighting = you would take a spit.
If you were doing anything else = you would take a Stang.

Ptolomy - Unregistered

December 21, 2011 7:24 AM

Those old aircraft engineers were just like Adrian Newey. Putting down ideas on a piece of paper with a pencil. What we have seen lately in F1 is that Newey is able to blow everyone away, and apparently he is one of the few or maybe the only one that relies primarily on pencil and paper rather than a computer. Or, rather, that he knows when its time to sketch and when its time to digitise it.

Angelina - Unregistered

December 22, 2011 12:55 AM

Do u guys seroiusly believe UK is good in engineering?
I will admit US is not.
I am sorry but, even today British cars cannot challenge cracked German cars.

Matt - Unregistered

December 22, 2011 1:33 AM

Angelina - You must be joking right ?
In the ww2 era, British and US engineering was pretty good. R.J Mitchell was a genius (like Newey) who invented the first monoplanes = 1 piece plane.
FACT - Everybody was using US machining tools - even Germany, to mill parts, build motors etc.
We wouldn't be where we are today without the engineering from the past.
BTW Red Bull is a British team right ? Adrian Newey is British right ? You know the team and designer that your beloved Vettel drives for ! You think he would be double WDC without the Brits ?

Ptolomy - Unregistered

December 22, 2011 1:33 AM

Of course the UK is top notch in Engineering. Just look at Adrian Newey. He is British.
And of course the Germans are at the top too...

And you think the US is not? Perhaps a study of Lockheed-Martin and the F-22 Raptor fighter plane will change your mind. Or take a look at the Space Shuttle program. Those 2 engineering accomplishments rank #1 and #2 in terms of their advanced engineering. Formula One ranks #3. Everything else falls in line.

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