F1 » Di Montezemolo: We weren’t happy with Massa


Luca di Montezemolo puts the pressure on Felipe Massa ahead of the 2012 F1 season

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EnRiCo47

December 28, 2011 12:18 AM
Last Edited 1086 days ago

@@@@Taipan

By the way thanks for your expression of sympathy for my wife s loss.

If you smoke please give it away.
My generation did not have the knowledge, you have that, cigarettes kill you.

Emphysema is a terrible, insidiuos disease.
I quit 14 years ago ,but i also have a bit of it.

Guys,and girls, care for your love ones by quitting, if i quit you can do it as well , but it is not easy,and you must want to do it for yourself.

Ciao Enrico

Taipan

December 28, 2011 1:45 AM

Enrico, As I'm sure you know Clark's fatal accident was blamed on a slow puncture. But one of the interesting reasons for the crash that I've heard was that Clark never had a great technical knowledge of the car and posibly never even realised that he had a slow puncture prior to the event.
I think this theory was on the documentary "Jim Clark The Quiet Champion" Either way it's a great documentary and well worth watching, go to youtube and search for "Jim Clark Documentary" (part one) I think there are 6 parts.

My wifes Dad had emphysema and died 4 years ago, he was a great guy, loved his cars and motorsport and is muched missed. Stupidly she and I still smoke and I know we must make the effort to stop.

EnRiCo47

December 28, 2011 2:47 AM

@@@TAIPAN

Collins was on the verge of becoming Britain first F1 World Champion when handed his Lancia Ferrari D50 over to TEAM LEADER JUAN Manuel Fangio toward the end of the Italian Grand Prix at Monza.

Collins eventually finished second,BUT THE ADVANTAGA HANDED TO MOSS, AND THE EXTRA POINTS GAINED BY FANGIO S FINISH,DEMOTED COLLINS TO THIRD IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP.

COLLINS SELFLESS ACT GAINED HIM RESPECT FROM ENZO FERRARI."
This is how i copied from wikipedia and how it was told to me in Italy when i was a boy by people who were there.So, Fangio indeed got a free world Title, and Collins, poor bast **d died the follwing year in Germany.


Ciao
Enrico

EnRiCo47

December 28, 2011 3:00 AM
Last Edited 1085 days ago

@@@TAIPAN

You seem an intelligent and stubborn person .
Use that to quit.
I started at 12 i managed to stop at 51 in 98 after trying for 8 years.
it was just before the soccer world cup of 98 in France .
Take a photo of your kids and your father in law and put them on your bedside table.

New year resolution.
IF i can help one single person quit during the rest of my life i am happy, because all governments are a bunch of hypocrites.

Ciao
Enrico

Taipan

December 28, 2011 3:08 AM

Enrico my friend, never trust Wikipedia it tends to tell some of the truth but not all.
Moss led the race (Monza '56) almost from start to end, Castellotti, Schell and Musso led half a dozen laps between them. Going into that final race Fangio had 30 points, Moss 19 and Collins 22. When Fangio's car broke with 15 laps to go Moss was well in the lead and Collins was 3rd so neither of them could actually catch Fangio in the championship. If Collins had won the race and Moss was second and Fangio did not score then Collins would have been champion.

Taipan

December 28, 2011 3:18 AM

PS to make sense of my last post it was 9 points for a win, 6 for second and shared drives recieved half points and only 5 races from 8 counted towards the championship.

Now I have to go do sleepy things, take care all.

chris - Unregistered

December 28, 2011 4:00 AM

Dont be surprise that RK will replaced massa before 2012 season ends like what ferrari did to kimi....it will happen!..and RK is a good friend of Alonso..they should work well together..shoudl they be team mates

EnRiCo47

December 28, 2011 4:41 AM
Last Edited 1085 days ago

@@TAIpan

Even if Collins just won the race from Moss, by not giving the car to Fangio , Fangio would have been out anyway so he would have had to deal only with Moss and try to pass him to gain the 3 points he needed to overtake Fangio s standing .

You said correctly that Moss led most of the way but often that does not mean much, especially in those days, where a simple tyre change took forever.
You have to consider the time Collins took to stop, give the car to Fangio , then re-enter the race when he had a car available or ready and he still managed to finish equal 2nd with Fangio only 5.7 secs behind Moss, on top of that racing with your team leader to whom you have given your car, you can not just go and try to beat him out of the title .
Impossible position for the Englishman.
And indeed great sacrifice,really in sport, name Sport , nobody should ask team orders, to me it is the equivalent of fixing sporting events.

Ciao
Enrico



Taipan

December 28, 2011 9:10 AM

Enrico,

Collins was in 3rd place when he gave his car to Fangio and a long way behind Moss, Fangio ended up just 5 seconds behind in second place due to Moss actually running out of petrol with 5 laps to go and being pushed back to the pitts by his team mate.

So yes, If Collins had won the race he would have won the championship, but when he was sat 3rd a long way behind Moss and Musso with 15 laps to go that looked highly unlikely.

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