F1 » Barrichello set to frustrate Sutil, Senna?


Rubens Barrichello may have taken a significant step closer to retaining his Williams seat in 2012, according to reports.

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victor - Unregistered

January 03, 2012 8:32 PM

Having an engineering background I find it hard to believe a steering column/rod broke during the race. It would had had to be a very flimsy weld for that to occur and I if it were that bad the car would have not left the pits for one reason or another.

I would think the weld would have broken when the crashed.

victor - Unregistered

January 03, 2012 8:39 PM

Senna had severe physiological problems at the time worsened by Razenbergs crash there was some thought after the race that Senna had an emotional brain fade that led to the crash.

Having been following Senna closely at the time I am inclined to belive that but I welcome other thoughts on this one with interest.

victor - Unregistered

January 03, 2012 8:46 PM

Re Senna brain fade theory - If I remember rightly Senna did not brake when his car, for what ever reason, failed to turn and headed straight to the wall.

Yirmin Snipe - Unregistered

January 03, 2012 9:28 PM

Okay... if we are going to bring up Senna conspiracy theories... How about this one.

1. Senna had earlier tested a CART car and indicated he would switch over from F1.

2. Bernie's F1 circus was not the sole open wheel center of the universe, at that time CART was very close.

3. Losing Senna to CART would have been a big blow to Bernie's circus.

4. Why did the on board camera fail just prior to the crash?

could it be Bernie would have rather seen Senna dead than jump to a rival series? Could the steering been tampered with to insure it failed?

richard

January 03, 2012 9:30 PM

sunny, it doesnt concern me about the disagrees. most of these are automatic disagrees with anything i say! this is due to a lot of unknowledgable posters who believe what they want to believe, and who believe that senna could do no wrong. they do not want to question the legend. if they were around at the time, they could have a different opinion.
many believe that the italian case was a whitewash, as in their juristiction, they HAVE to find someone at fault. but the findings of the court have never been upheld in any other country.
victor has a more pragmatic view. the results of the tests of the steering column in uk, showed that the weld did not give from stress and did not CAUSE the accident. it failed during the accident.
but some will only believe what they want to believe, rather than accept facts.

Yirmin Snipe - Unregistered

January 03, 2012 9:52 PM

Richard, you can't possibly be so stupid as to believe that you can test a piece of metal that has failed and magically determine if it failed at 10:00pm or 11:00pm... The simple fact is the weld failed because of STRESS... the only way it could fail is because of stress...
Now people can argue whether it broke before during or after the wreck, but no one will ever know for certain... only a working camera in the car and telemetry during the even could shed light on that. Sadly it doesn't exist.

Taipan

January 03, 2012 9:59 PM

Victor, Richard and Sunny it's nice to read sense on here for a change when it comes to Ayrton's accident, too many people are blinded by emotion.

Richard, you touched on the Italian legal system, very few other countries would have investigated the crash, but as you said in Italy when someone dies in a violent way blame has to be apportioned, or at least saught. It wasn't only Williams staff who were tried, the San Marino owners/organisers were also tried in a typically scatter gun approach.

For those that think the 94 Williams was a terrible car and the Benetton was a cheating marvel car, tell me how Damon Hill managed 6 wins in it and pushed Schumacher to within a point of the title? Lets be honest here D Hill was no Jim Clark!

Taipan

January 03, 2012 10:09 PM

Yirmin, I'm happy to be proved wrong as mechanical engineering is not my background, structural engineering is what I have more knowledge in. But I wouldn't have thought it would be too difficult to determine what sort of force was required to break the weld, the force of turning into Tamburello (which should be easy enough to work out) or the force of the impact (which should also be easy enough to work out) Those two forces will be massively different so replicate the steering column and see what force is required to break it.

Yirmin Snipe - Unregistered

January 03, 2012 10:16 PM

Taipan... you might want to look at the history a bit closer. As I recall the only times Hill won were times when Schumacher suffered mechanical troubles, was disqualified, didn't race or in one instance the rain was in the wet. In the wet you see who the best drivers are regardless of the car.

Most likely MS was cheating using option 13... the fact that the car had illegal traction control on it should be evidence enough to convict him of cheating... claiming you had an illegal car but didn't benefit from the cheating didn't work in Bar/Honda's case it shouldn't work with MS either. Benettons were illegal end of story.

Yirmin Snipe - Unregistered

January 03, 2012 10:20 PM

Taipan said... I wouldn't have thought it would be too difficult to determine what sort of force was required to break the weld, the force of turning into Tamburello (which should be easy enough to work out) or the force of the impact (which should also be easy enough to work out)... It would be possible to do that test if you had a steering column that was welded exactly as the one that failed, the problem is you don't have any x-rays of the weld prior to failure so you don't know if it was even done properly or not... You might claim a perfect weld would not have failed, but you can't be certain that the weld in question was perfect... that is the problem.

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