F1 » Hill: Button always a dark horse

Damon Hill: At the end of last year I thought Jenson was super strong and you started to put money on him each time. [Whereas with] Lewis you always feel could go either way...

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February 28, 2012 1:42 PM

jenny, i know. that is why i said IF he was in the same position!

but there was every chance that he could have finished on the tyres that he was on anyway. dont forget, it was the last corner where he went off. had he slowed down y about a second or two on the last lap, he would probably have been safe.
it was all a matter of luck. cruel for massa and glock, but good for lulu.

Jenny - Unregistered

February 28, 2012 1:53 PM


Inter-lagos is designed downhill then uphill that's why he slowed down dramatically when going up the hill and the pit crew had already told Lewis not to panic that he might catch Gloak on the long straight because he was doing twice the time Lewis was doing in the inter wet tyres!

Mark _

February 28, 2012 3:25 PM

It is funny how people see things differently. Bobke thinks that Canada was the best win ever and I see it as the most contrived of the season. The DRS zone was a joke. The zone was too big which allowed drivers to use the DRS after they had already passed the car ahead. Without DRS Button would have been lucky to be in the top five in that race. DRS makes the racing about as real as Mario Kart.


February 28, 2012 3:37 PM


When are all you whinging lot going to stop going on about DRS.

Oh, that's right, I forgot, Button is the only one who has DRS and the new tyres. Everyone else doesn't have either...

It's you lot who always go on about how racing isn't like it used to be - real. Yeah, just like in the 80's - when everyone had something called the turbo boost button. Yeah, cause that's not artificial either is it?

All 24 drivers have the same tools at their disposal, it's the great drivers that put them to best use.

And by the way, I am FAR from the only person who thinks that Canada was one of the best wins in F1 history.


February 28, 2012 4:08 PM
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bobkp. you are a bit bitter, arent you? i dont think that having an opinion is "whinging". if it is, then you are "whinging" about canada. i agree with mark. drs is a totally contrived device, brought in purely to try and create a spectacle for tv. what is wrong with making a genuine pass based on skill? webber has done it, vettel has done it, so it is actually possible. NO drs needed!

and i must say, that i believe there are very few who think that buttons win in canada was one of the "best wins in f1 history"! it was a LUCKY win. but that is all. maybe buttons best win, but still a LUCKY win.


February 28, 2012 4:22 PM

Richard, i think that your massively biased leaning towards Vettel and Red Bull are at times clouding your judgement. Some otherwise interesting posts from you. Vettel himself said that the times that he gets nervous are when button is catching him.

Jenny - Unregistered

February 28, 2012 4:26 PM

@Richard your spot on Button was penalised twice but with the countless amount of Safety cars and Double DRS Vettel would have lapped Button greatest win! Ha!!! Seening Webber passing Alonso in Spa along that horrible corner or Lewis passing Alonso at around the outside at the Nurburgring or Vettel passing Lewis in a tight corner in the Wet that's what I call over talking a driver not by pressing a Button

Mark _

February 28, 2012 4:38 PM

@bobkp - You sure have issues with differences of opinion.

In most cases the DRS zones worked as intended. Canada was the first race with a double DRS zone. Like I said there were many instances in which the pass happened before the DRS zone yet the driver (Button) got to use the DRS to pull away and get better lap times. This was not what DRS was intended to do. If you recall the FIA decided to look at how to modify the zones so that this would not happen again. Obviously there was a problem with the zones in Canada. Your turbo analogy (although before my time as a fan) was the same for everyone. With DRS the leader does not get to use it so it is a handicap for him. It also makes fastest laps meaningless as they don't specify if DRS was used to set the fastest lap.

Nick - Unregistered

February 28, 2012 6:12 PM

"bobkp. spot on! lulu would not have been wdc if glock was on the right tyre and in the same position. once seb passed him, lulu had basically lost his chance.

and as for canada, of course the safety car played massively into buttons hands. but you take your luck when it is handed to you. i believe that the safety car caused vettel to lose 25-30 secs, and button to gain nearly 2 minutes."

Richard, beautiful piece of contradiction. What do you think Lewis did to win the WDC in Brazil? That's right, took his luck when it was handed to him.

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