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HRT asks the FIA to look in Caterham's 2010 car after High Court ruling

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flyingacedude - Unregistered

April 10, 2012 10:29 AM

Really HRT, really?! You're worried about *that* being detrimental to your team? Its a waste of time, Caterham have far more money than HRT and Force India as well by the looks of how Vijay's businesses are performing so a legal battle would probably yield little gain. Also if you pay someone to develop parts for you, then stop paying them to develop it - does that mean that they can never develop parts again because it could be based loosely on something that could have been on your car. The sooner HRT pack up and leave F1 the better.

sodesu

April 10, 2012 12:10 PM

Those things have nothing to do with it though. We know that HRT have very limited resources, so if this could mean that they climb one place higher in the ranking that would be a substantial gain to them. Why would they not pursue this? They need more resources to stay alive, let alone to develop. What do you think they should do? Quit? Quitters don't become winners. Read up on your F1 history before you make comments like these, you could learn a lot there. The first year Williams did in F1 they entered a customer March chassis which was outdated, slow and failed to score a single point. From that they somehow managed to win several world titles.

Might I also add, legal battles are not about who has the most money FFS. WTF does their budgets have to do with it? If there was an infraction of rights then they should be punished, regardless of whether they have more money then FIF1 and HRT!

V6Stroker - Unregistered

April 10, 2012 12:30 PM

HRT can appeal to FIA but I don't think will do any good to the teams(HRT & Caterham) and F1 itself. The fighting ie racing is on the track not in the court room and HRT should be focus and produced the car before winter testing. Let be fair to the Caterham as the team is only a customer to Aerolab..

peter - Unregistered

April 10, 2012 1:29 PM

HRT and Maurissa can smell the pound notes. Mike Gascoyne parted with Force India because of non payment so there is bad blood between them and by extension Team Lotus. Aerolab parted with Force India for non payment. If Force India had not paid for Aerolabs work how can they claim the designs?
What ever happens it will be bad for F1

Texas Roadhouse

April 10, 2012 2:01 PM

Is this a spurious case by HRT? You might say so. Would I do the same in their case? ABSOLUTELY!! If you don't try, you won't achieve. But it's all a shame for any sport to have results decided in a courtroom (just look at the Contador fiasco).

flyingacedude - Unregistered

April 10, 2012 2:02 PM

FAO: sodesu

Legal battles should not be about money I'll grant you that. But when you're trying to fight for something that's a grey area with someone who has a lot more resources and ability to fight in the courts longer than you then you're going to loose.

F1 teams now are not comparable to teams in the 70's so I don't know why you bother comparing the two. Also Williams got a podium in their second year and where a professional outfit. HRT started this season as they started the last two seasons in a blind panic. I know Marussia and Caterham are slow as well, but at least they're professional and add to the sport in a small way. HRT are a train wreck. Good luck defending them though, you'll need it.

Alex - Unregistered

April 11, 2012 10:07 AM

Its a fact that Gascoynes team Lotus produced its first car by copying parts designed by Force India, and just because a british judge trivialised it by only awarding Force India 25,000 Euros. The FIA have to penalise Catherham or every team can copy parts. As was said at the time of the trial F1 cant design a wheel nut for 25000e. Caterham gained an advantage over HRT and Virgin by cheating its a simple fact upheld in a court of law.

Caterham defense to this cheating is it was a short cut

Opportunistic copying of CAD files by CAD designers in order to take a short cut.Much like McLarens short cut

I don't agree at all. If I ask a builder to make something for me, then don't pay for it that shouldn't mean he has to destroy it and not sell it on to someone else if he can - why should he be made to loose out on someone elses incompetance?

I doubt it would have changed the result either, HRT were slow because the car thrown together at the last minute and virgin were slow because they didn't use wind tunnels. Also that lotus wasn't in competition with the force india. I can't see what difference it makes.

Alex - Unregistered

April 11, 2012 11:48 AM

I'm sorry but I don't understand your logic, it seems simple to me Caterham used Force India intellectual property there was no incompetence on Force Indias part. You can't just use someones design because they may not use it. Caterham were by their own admission short cutting the design process and copying FI designs. If the FIA don't penalize Caterham for cheating it will open the floodgates for copying. We could land up with a grid full of McLaren and Red Bull clones. The British court didn't attach to much importance to it as you but I read on Joe Sawards blog there is a criminal case in Italy against Gascoyne, Fernandes & Aerolabs Migeot the Italians seem to know more about motor sport

Cheats never prosper .....................proof zero points

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