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Pat Fry says Ferrari still has work to do to find more pace from its car despite topping the F1 standings

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Taipan

April 11, 2012 1:27 PM

Ron, As has been said before 9 podiums (and 2 wins) as a newbie was a good achievement, however it was the best car on the grid so it's not exactly a miracle. What would Prost, Clark, Schumacher etc have done in their first year if they had the best car? And claiming that 17 wins is closing in on Mansell's record of 31 is a bit of an exaggeration. The saddest thing though Ron is that all you have to harp on about is 2007 because every year since he has become worse.

Talking of which, Richard can you think of who had the longest gap between winning their first and second championships? I think it's Graham Hill '62 and '68, could be another record that Lulu breaks, if he manages another title that is.

Morning Spongy, I read a report from a Brazilian journalist who claimed that Austin was way behind schedule and could be called off this year, make yourself useful and nip down there and give us a progress report, there's a good chap.

ronsgoldenboy

April 11, 2012 1:44 PM

Ty, you keep missing the point its not about the car it was about the opponent, granted if Lewis had finished above a kolvi or a Webber and breaking those records then you would have a point. But it was ALONSO the reigning 2xwdc and i believe if Prost,Clarke and Schumi had come to Mclaren in 2007 the result i feel would have been the same because no one knew how good the rookie was, it really is that simple. Alonso had nothing to be ashamed about because he was up against a phenomena its just a shame he took it badly. I don't go on about 2008 because it speaks for itself and Hamilton like all the f1 driver have had to sit back and watch the rb6 and 7 dominate.

richard

April 11, 2012 2:10 PM

rob. i am no lover of alonso, never have been and never will, but the simple fact is that he was sahfted by mclaren! apart from that, you have to admire him for his gutsy drives, putting the ferrari where it shouldnt be.

ronnie. i have no control over ty, so why should i comment if he goes on about facial hair. in fact, i dont recall where he mentioned it. maybe he did, maybe he didnt, but as you brought it up, his efforts at growing a beard, seem to be a little half hearted.

Silent observer - Unregistered

April 11, 2012 2:14 PM

Rgb,

You keep harping on as if he actually won the title or scored more points or race wins than Alonso that year. He was rated higher on some rule called countback. You forget to argue that Alonso was also racing against his own team principal. I've never heard of such a thing in all my years of following Motorsport! Hammy had been in the Mac setup for about 11 years before Alonso arrived, so who exactly was the rookie in that team??

Besides, Mansell was a rookie in the States, the year after he won his F1 title, and he WON the title there. So there's not such a big deal about your argument. In any case, your rookie choked while Mansell didnt. Alonso retired Schumi first time round, then was recruited by Mac to help them win titles again. He was helping the rookie with car setup till the team stole Ferrari's manual and the scandal broke. Then Ron Dennis miscalculated and lost both titles because the rookie choked. Those are the simple facts!

ronsgoldenboy

April 11, 2012 2:41 PM
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silent observer, if you don't like my harping on then tough, just don't reply to my post. But i do like the way you grudgingly admit that the rookie finished above Alonso on count back, sounds good doesn't it. And for me HAMMI putting the dummy spiter to the sword was a more of a bigger achievement than him becoming the youngest wdc the next year i believe.

But as for Mansell who simultaneously held the F1 and Indy was a great achievement cant and wont knock it. But Mansell went to Indy as a world motor sport champion where Lewis defeated a 2xwdc as a rookie who had no previous in a main motor sport competition.

And lets all thank Ron for showing good judgement in offloading the baggage at the end of 2007 so that the new kid on the block could give Mclaren the prize of a WDC in 08 which had not happened for nearly a decade. Well done Ron i salute you

I do love it when the Alonso fanboys cant except facts.

Taipan

April 11, 2012 3:57 PM

Jenny I know you like asking me questions but it would be nice if you actually remembered my answers. Hill's first races in F1 was in a Brabham!
And there's not much point using Dhill to point out how good Lulu is, as I think Dhill was vastly over rated as well.

Jenny - Unregistered

April 11, 2012 4:12 PM

@taipan what am trying to say here is that it doesn't guaranttee that you would make it to the podium even if its the fastest car on the Grid!!! Lewis dished out an asswhooping to Alonslow!!!

Silent observer - Unregistered

April 11, 2012 4:22 PM

Erm rgb, what exactly is the point that you're trying to make? That lulu is an all-round better driver than Alonso because he beat him on countback five years ago? Is that it? That ALL the related facts that year do not matter? That lulu is the greatest living rookie of all time? Is that it? Never mind the team's mis-steps or the boy choking for being thrown in at the deep end and losing them the title! Your dislike of Alonso must know no bounds...

Silent observer - Unregistered

April 11, 2012 4:41 PM

In fact Rgb, was Ron Dennis siding with Lewis and scheming against Alonso in the final races of 2007 or not? Yes or No?

Think carefully before you answer, because we don't expect lies on the forum. If your answer is yes, I rest my case. Lulu's "victory" against Alonso becomes invalid. If your answer is no, then you are a blatant liar because Ron Dennis admitted it himself on global television. And if you tell us it doesn't matter, then you are more even naive than I thought!

And I hope Crash will not delete this post because I am insulting no one, just getting to the facts of the matter.

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