F1 » Vettel hit with time penalty

Sebastian Vettel drops from second to fifth after being given a post-race penalty in the German Grand Prix

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MP4 Whiners - Unregistered

July 22, 2012 10:56 PM


Are you blinkered or blind? Vettel was outside of Button when exiting the hairpin then Button moved left and crowded Vettel completely off the track. From the on board view from Vettel's car you can clearly see the front wheels on the McLaren turn towards Vettel twice. I will attribute part of the movement to catching the car under hard acceleration on degraded tyres, but Vettel was only avoiding contact by moving away. I can't imagine that the a former driver/steward could be so incompetent not to see it for what it was. I was under the belief that the former drivers were there to increase the understanding of on track incidents, clearly that is not the case.

FrankG - Unregistered

July 22, 2012 11:06 PM

Absolutely ridiculous!

Then the FIA should penalize all drivers that went wide on the corners (same corner also) to save tyres or just because they were too fast in the first place... didn't that also give them an advantage then?

Steve Pearce

July 22, 2012 11:21 PM

I dont understand it really. If it was lap 10, or 30, or anything other than the last 5, the stewards would have looked at it and told Vettel to hand it back, and they would have carried on racing. So i dont understand why instead they suddenly give him a big time penalty and make the thing a joke. Yes there wasnt time to review it and get him to hand the place back, but swapping them back over has the same effect.

Drive thrus are only given if he drove off and didnt give the place back.

Too many nonsense decisions this year from stewards who are meant to know better!!!

Ptolomy - Unregistered

July 22, 2012 11:35 PM

Criminal activity here. Double Standards.
More than once this year Hamilton has passed people off track and on the INSIDE of corners and still was handled with the "Lulu kid gloves." Others have passed off track too without penalty.
Jenson actually took up THE WHOLE ROAD and even went wide across the outside white line! If Vettel had not run off track, then he would have clashed with Jenson!
Vettel passed on the OUTSIDE of a corner as well.
It's all about trying to hamstring Red Bull because the rule makers don't want to see domination the way Schumi dominated from 2000-2004.

Hocuspokus - Unregistered

July 22, 2012 11:39 PM

What is it with these guys?
Just because you might have better tyres at the end of the race that does not mean you can ignore the rules.
Maldonardo did it with Hamilton & now Vettel with Button.
If they had such a tyre advantage then it is up to them to pick the legal move.
Not make an illegal one & start making silly noises about how it would have happened anyway later.

.....and Horner's later comments about Button driving on the white line were pretty small & pathetic.


July 23, 2012 12:16 AM

I have been reading all the comments on how unfair this penalty is on Vettel - 20 secs being so harsh, what would you then call the 25 secs imposed on Lewis a few years ago at Spa when Kimi clearly pushed Lewis wide off the track, and Lewis did NOT pass him there, but outbraked him at the next corner which in my opinion was great driving on Lewis's part and for his trouble he got cheated out of the win, but I suppose that's OK because it's Lewis, but lo and behold, the great Vettel and Red Bull can not be wrong.
As for comments on the same move between Lewis and Rosberg, Jenson held his line through the hairpin to protect his track position, and the last time I checked that was perfectly legal, unlike Rosberg who deliberately tried to run Lewis into the wall and then doing the same thing to Fernando a few laps later with no penalty and some people then trying to blmae Lewis and Fernando for the situation - Maldornado is dangerous, no question, but Rosberg is in the same league in my b

page22 - Unregistered

July 23, 2012 12:33 AM

Every racing driver in any category of driving race cars knows this one rule: The racing line is between the two white lines on a race track, if you go outside those lines you infringe on the rules if you come back in a better position.

For God's sake, I'm not a race ddriver and I've heard that a million times...Vettel needed to back off let Button pass and then have another crack at him.

fasterfaster - Unregistered

July 23, 2012 12:41 AM

Some of the comments are truly amazing.
Some of you don't like or accept the rules, and some of you just plain don't know the rules.
Horner should have told/advised Vet to let Button repass and then, as Button said, Vet would have had other opportunities. He was clearly faster.
Vet broke the rule, Horner did not do his job, so they were penalised.
Pretty stupid. Red Bull shot themselves in the foot and only have themselves to blame.
Glad Jense had a reasonable day, at last.
Ref Vet's whinge about Hamilton ulapping himself.
Ham was clearly faster at that point and so did not have to do anything to get out of Ver's way. Ham was FASTER ...end of...
The rest if you Stop moaning all the time.


July 23, 2012 12:46 AM

pcxmac right, Richard wrong.

Seb very clearly got the drive out of the corner because he went well off the track. He couldn't have pulled it off within the confines of the circuit. He was just too eager. Otherwise he drove a very good race. The penalty did seem a bit harsh given that he clearly would have been third at worst.

Richard sees everything that Seb does through rose coloured glasses. He has the same magnification as my Webber pair.

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