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Jenson Button: Our pace at Hockenheim gives us cause for encouragement.

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Neutral Racer - Unregistered

July 26, 2012 5:18 AM


HAM - W7, P19, Pts 559
BUT - W6, P22, Pts 552

2010 - present is also JB vs LH record at McLaren. While the 'general consensus' is that Lewis the faster (and by default, better) driver, the stats show they are very evenly matched. In fact, if JB had won the German GP - he would have same number of wins (7) and points (559) as Lewis too.

Note: Lewis holds a crushing lead over JB in quali by a ratio of 3-1, and a better head-to-head record in races 27-22. Over the last 30 races it's an even-steven 15-15.

2011 - Present
VET - W12, P20, Pts 502
ALO - W4, P16, Pts 411
WEB - W3, P12, Pts 378
BUT - W4, P15, Pts 338
HAM - W4, P10, Pts 319

The 'general consensus' is that Alonso, Hamilton and Vettel are the top 3 guys and will go down as future racing Greats - JB and Webbo most likely won't. But they have proved they are racing in the same class (or league). The difference is success came late in their careers and people tend to recall their earlier struggles in as a truer reflection of thei

Spectrum_guy - Unregistered

July 26, 2012 6:14 AM

Liam48: @Josh Yes a forum with good insightful comments, not just bashing someone because you don't like them and spouting rubbish!

Coming from someone that bashes Lewis at every opportunity and yes Button's car wasnt 1 sec faster it was almost 2 sec faster. I think it was the Turkish GP when Button lapped some drivers after 6 laps

Pole Position - Unregistered

July 26, 2012 6:15 AM

@ Liam48 that's a big if and we all know this won't make any difference if Mclaren doesn't produce a good car. And going by their recent efforts I have no confidence in them doing that.

fasterfaster - Unregistered

July 26, 2012 8:10 AM

A very young Jense got his break at Williams and did a respectable job, but Frank had signed Montoya so Jens had to go. Horrible time under Flav at Renault, rescued by David Richards where he showed what he could do in the BAR Honda. Then a series of crap cars. But he never gave up. The reward for that belief was a fantastic Ross Brawn car in '09, when it had looked like the end.
Drove brilliantly. Even in the best car you still have to do the job, and then he had the balls to go to McL and take on Lewis where he has not disgraced himself at all. He has more than kept Lewis honest.
After all those early struggles he fully deserves his success and my respect which offer unreservedly. Shame some of you can't do the same.

fasterfaster - Unregistered

July 26, 2012 8:25 AM

Gerhard Berger, who was no slouch himself was once asked "Who is your ideal team mate?", He replied "Someone who is 2 seconds a lap slower!"
I remember a test at Silverstone where Williams got a call from the factory telling them to cover the whole bottom area under the engine with a sheet of aluminium. This simple thing transformed the Venturi effect and the Williams was over a second faster than anyone else which caused shock and awe.
Show me a driver or team manager who does not want that kind of advantage and I'll show you a liar.
Jens deserved his opportunity in '09.
Some of you say Jens can't beat Alonso or Vettel or Ham.
Look again at the Canada 2011 footage but remove your rose tinted glasses.

Nick636

July 26, 2012 8:30 AM

@ Jules

Your argument contradicts itself... Last year, according to you the RB7 was WAY ahead. The Mclaren, according to most, was far from the best, yet Jenson was the ONLY driver to consistently challenge Vettel. If the rest of those amazing drivers could've stepped up to the plate, last season could've looked a lot different.

At the end of the day, you can say what you like, Schumi won most of his titles because of a superior car and/or team orders/strategy. Same goes for Hami. Hamilton, after his title challenge, has won a few races, but been near the title. Now cry and disagree all you like fanboys.

Jules - Unregistered

July 26, 2012 12:14 PM

Nick, how did I contradict myself? I never considered Vettel and Button on the same level as Alonso, Hamilton and Raikkonen. Both Vettel and Button won their championships when they had the fastest car and proved they could not even qualify in the top 3 if they didn't have the perfect setup or car for the race. Alonso, Hamilton and Raikonen have proven they can win or be on the podium when they did not have the best car on raceday.

I know you're a Button fan but face it, he just isn't on the same level as Alonso and will certainly have a very very slim chance of winning the WDC this year. He just screwed up too many races this year to have a chance. With so many cars with comparable performances, he is just too far back to make up the places. McLaren is better off supporting Hamilton this year. On Schumacher, the entire paddock recognizes he was a great driver so I'm not going to bother justifying that to you.

Btw, cocky Button said this about Alonso after Ferrari won the Malaysia

Jules - Unregistered

July 26, 2012 12:19 PM

cont....Button said he was not worried about Alonso because he is driving a Ferrari!...hahaha..guess who has the last laugh now?

Button overrates himself and I can understand why the British press supports him, but honestly, I think DiResta could have done a better job than Button in that McLaren this year. Button blames the tyres, the weather, and on BAD LUCK!!..What kind of sportsman keeps blaming his under performance on bad luck??? JB does.

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