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Jenson Button handed a five place grid penalty for a gearbox change ahead of Suzuka

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richard

October 02, 2012 4:11 PM

typants. have you ever driven a car with square wheels? if you have, you will know that it shakes your eyeballs out. stopping for fresh tyres would have him out of points, so stopping him meant that they could get an unpenalised gearbox change. all part of team strategy.

MemoryLoss

October 02, 2012 4:54 PM
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@richard

Didn't think that was how it worked. I thought they had to prove a change was needed. They can't just park it and take a free gearbox for the next race if they aren't going to score any points. There must be more to it than just the tyres, unless they are saying the vibrations caused damage.

richard

October 02, 2012 5:02 PM

memoryloss. as long as the car does not finish, the gearbox can be changed. this has happened with several teams this year, and if i am not suffering from memory loss, including mclaren. nothing has to be proven.it may sound odd, but them's the rules!

mrfill

October 02, 2012 5:05 PM

Vibrations from flat spots can (and do) cause all sorts of damage. At the front, suspension failure or steering failure, at the rear, drive shaft damage or gearbox failure amongst others.

I think Webber said after the race that the vibration was so bad his vision was affected. Racing in a mechanically dangerous car with a half blind driver doesn't sound like the greatest contribution to track safety.

Webber did the right thing for his own and others safety.

I believe that if an engine or gearbox goes during a race and the car does not finish, there is no penalty (unless the maximum number per season is then exceeded).

mrfill

October 02, 2012 5:11 PM

The FIA says

"Unless the driver fails to finish the race (or is unable to start the race for reasons other than a penalty imposed by the stewards) the gearbox fitted to the car at the end of the Event must remain in it for the remainder of the five race sequence. Any driver who failed to finish the race at the first, second, third or fourth of the five Events for reasons which the technical delegate accepts as being beyond the control of the team or driver, may start the following Event with a different gearbox without a penalty being incurred.
A gearbox will be deemed to have been used once the car's timing transponder has shown that it has
left the pit lane"

OnTheOtherHand

October 02, 2012 5:12 PM

If a driver commits a "fail" I.E. cuts a corner, speeds in the pit lane, chops someone off, and get a penalty, the team suffer along with him.
Not much difference there!!!
The rules and Rulings, however unpopular are in place to keep a level of control.

MemoryLoss

October 02, 2012 5:14 PM

"I believe that if an engine or gearbox goes during a race and the car does not finish, there is no penalty (unless the maximum number per season is then exceeded)."

Exactly. But I didn't think it was one or the other. What I mean is, had Webber not spun and squared off his tyres (which probably resulted in car damage) he wouldn't have been able to park it and take a free gear box change. Or have I been misunderstanding that rule all year? Pretty sure Brundle has talked about this plenty of times during commentary. No problem = no free gearbox. Other wise every car below 10th would just park up and put a new gearbox in for the next race.

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