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Jenson Button handed a five place grid penalty for a gearbox change ahead of Suzuka

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Mark _

October 02, 2012 5:27 PM

In this age of DRS there should be no reason why a faster car cannot get back to it's normal running position during the race. If anything a grid penalty adds to the spectacle not detracts from it. Button overcame worse in Canada a few years ago thanks to DRS and a well timed safety car.


October 02, 2012 5:35 PM


Clarified by "Any driver who failed to finish the race at the first, second, third or fourth of the five Events for reasons which the technical delegate accepts as being beyond the control of the team or driver, may start the following Event with a different gearbox without a penalty being incurred."

So, yes - square tyres, no free gearbox. If the gearbox decides to drop to pieces, free gearbox but with the same ratios as the dead one.

I guess it is possible for a car to have 20 gearboxes in a season if the box fails during every race as there is no limit on number.

Mark _

October 02, 2012 5:40 PM

@mrfill - I guess it depends on where the driver stops. If he stops on track because the car is unsafe to drive then the rules allow the change. If he limps back to the pits and can change tires then no gearbox change.


October 02, 2012 6:27 PM

I don't think so. The important bit is "for reasons which the technical delegate accepts as being beyond the control of the team or driver". I doubt if flat spotting by itself would be considered beyond the drivers control. However, if as a result of the vibration, the gearbox fails, a change is probably ok.

Salan - Unregistered

October 02, 2012 7:16 PM

Who in their right mind cares? Lets get real the guy isn't even in contention so a grid plenty doesn't really matter now does it. Sorry for all you Jensen fans, suffice to say their is no hope in hell that this dude would be in the running anyway.


October 02, 2012 7:30 PM

salan. believe it or not there are some of us on this form that like to discuss the cars, drivers and rules of f1. whether or not button is in contention for the wdc, he is definitely in contention for a win in the gp. and he is also in a position to help his team.

you dont like him? thats your perogative, but dont dismiss those who have a genuine interest in f1.

sam - Unregistered

October 02, 2012 7:32 PM

people say driver should not be penaltied but you would complain fast if ferrari say we don't care if we lose construct points, just change alonso gearbox every race for next five races, we can afford it. you would fast say that is cheating. otherwise mclaren should build stronger and heavier gearbox with not so much performance so they not have reliability problem. only other choice is to give all drivers same car but that is not f1.

Salan - Unregistered

October 02, 2012 7:47 PM

Wow, Richard I didn't realise I hit such a nerve with you buddy, nonetheless I wasn't referring to his chances of a race win more to the point is the WDC. Besides I actually like him but the honest truth is even Vettel is highly unlikely to catch Alonso as all he has to do is maintain his podiums and consistency and its a done deal. At this late stage I can only see Ferrari getting better and they themselves aren't going to stand still.


October 02, 2012 8:06 PM

The irritation of a supporter when the driver he supports gets a grid penalty as per the rules for engine/transmission change is understandable but reasoning that it's the team that should be penalized and not the driver is and always was beyond me to understand.
The way I understand it/see it/except it is, when a driver is being penalized the team is also being penalized.

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