F1 » Incidents and lack of pace hamper Lotus effort


Lotus were disappointed to lose points to their rivals as a result of poor pace for Raikkonen and another first-lap incident and DNF for Grosjean.

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Billydude - Unregistered

October 08, 2012 8:51 AM

Because RG has a record of learning errors at this level, it seems he gets slammed a lot harder than others higher up the pecking order.
These others also make questionable and what looks like to us (armchair racers) daft moves.

Gotta question how much the stewards of the day are swayed by the public or professional rating of the drivers involved.

JD 002

October 08, 2012 10:02 AM

I wonder how much of an impact the loss of some carbon fibre on Kimi's front effected his performance? Maybe not much however he just didn't seem to have as much fight on race day as he usually carries.

In regards to grosjean... that was still just a stupid move, webber was there in front and he didn't make any attempt to avoid- very rookie like.

Taz

October 08, 2012 10:07 AM

Big John looked like a broken man in the post race interviews, I honestly thought he was going to burst into tears. The guys confidence must be rock bottom. He's a very talented driver but it's hard to ignore that many mistakes. He's lucky his boss is also his manager, not sure what Lopez (main shareholder) makes of it though.

If they didn't have Kimi they wouldn't be in 4th and the prize money would be a lot lower.

taliz

October 08, 2012 10:10 AM

It's funny how people are quick to blame RG. The mistake he made wasn't that bad IMO. It's one of those things that just happen sometimes.
The mistake Alonzo made was worse, but fortunately it only affected him.
In fact what Alonzo did was close to what RG did at SPA, except the outcome was much less severe.
Alonzo swerved into another car, just as RG did, yet no one dares to criticize Alonzo.

Taz

October 08, 2012 10:20 AM

@taliz

Alonso hasn't been involved in 7/8 1st lap incidents in one year, the stats are there in black or white.

It was a mistake by Alonso but he doesn't make them often.

Sri - Unregistered

October 08, 2012 1:25 PM

Grosjean has an average of 10 points per race completed till now. He did not score well due to accidents in at least 5 races. So that is about 50 points just given away. Now if had those 50 points, he would have been counted as WDC contenders (like Webber) and also Lotus would be challenging for #1 or #2 in WCC. What a waste for Lotus and him. What a wasted talent - he is exceptional if he finishes one lap!

Nanbawan - Unregistered

October 08, 2012 11:14 PM


"that was still just a stupid move, webber was there in front and he didn't make any attempt to avoid- very rookie like"

Grosjean wasn't trying anything on Webber, he was covering Perez on his left side and was focused on that. For some reasons (maybe cold tires with the full fuel load), Mark seemed to lift in an acceleration zone, the speed delta caused the collision.

Romain may be blamed for not anticipating enough but a lot of drivers would have made the same "mistake". Now, it's definitely the past number of incidents that make it perceived way worse than it was.

The young Franco-Swiss wasn't always the culprit (like in Melbourne) but the accumulation of incidents tends to make things look worse. Errors of judgements, clumsiness, nervousness they may all play a part but there are never sheer malicious or cynical moves(yet).

Monaco, Spa, Silverstone, Monza and Suzuka do have configurations that make it more likely for first lap fracas, Grosjean may have been involved in most

Nanbawan - Unregistered

October 08, 2012 11:15 PM



Monaco, Spa, Silverstone, Monza and Suzuka do have configurations that make it more likely for first lap fracas, Grosjean may have been involved in most of them this year but he's far from being the only or the first one.

BTW, Romain did not really lack pace if you looked at the live timing during the race...Maybe that's what saves his seat and maybe also that's what his opponents use his woes for psy ops motives...

Even if he improves, he'll still make a couple of errors and the dossier of his earlier incidents will always somewhere around...Let's hope for him that things get better because I think that if 2013 is as difficult, Lotus will indeed lose patience.

That said, journalists and observers should try to be as objective as possible when an incident occurs and not tend to exaggerate and stretch facts because of RG's past.

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