F1 » JYS: Vettel no F1 great

Sir Jackie Stewart believes that Sebastian Vettel needs to prove himself away from Adrian Newey-designed cars before he can be called an F1 'great', but suggests the German would be mad to go to Ferrari just now....

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indy2007 - Unregistered

October 18, 2012 9:34 AM

vvvfor those haters who bashing vettel's achievement which only because of the best car, see this stats:

"... Vettel became BMW Sauber third driver at the 2006 Turkish Grand Prix, when former incumbent Robert Kubica was called up to replace Jacques Villeneuve for the 2006 Hungarian Grand Prix.
On his testing debut, Vettel set the fastest time in the second Friday Free Practice before the race. In his second testing session in the 2006 Italian Grand Prix, he set the fastest time in both Friday practice sessions..."
lets go back to 2005 when Hammi pissed all over Vettel in F3 when all the cars were more similar.

The sad fact is that we have never been able to see Vettel or Hammi in the same or equal cars 2007 and 2008 Hm had the better car and from 2009 until now Vettels car has been the best

izybluffen - Unregistered

October 18, 2012 10:34 AM
Last Edited 1050 days ago

God damn this thread is what I have been waiting for !

1- EDIT by CRASH.NET! Poster attack removed.
2- Jackie is a "great", has done insane things in an F1 car and has every right to say his bit.
3- Biebers acheivements are "nothing" compared to what Schumi and Senna did in their rookie days regardless of age.
4- Well proven fact that Seb can't win without the best car.
5- 2008 italian gp was a damn universal lucky thing, compared to real "greats" first wins.
6- Take Adrian away from Seb and where would he be ?? Even Damon Hill basically won the 1997 Hungarian GP in

izybluffen - Unregistered

October 18, 2012 10:39 AM

the worst car on the grid and he was not that good against Schumi. Seb is just another "product" of Newey.
7- Several other drivers would destroy Seb in the same car.
8- Seb does need to prove himself away from RBR. But the truth is he will get punished.
9- No driver on the grid these days has "pure" skills and deserves to be called a great, except for Schumi.

Tony - Unregistered

October 18, 2012 10:46 AM

I think it's Adrian Newey PLUS unknown Electronics and
lets try it!!! One wonders what he were when FIA found
strange modifications on his car!! There again he
thinks he's Number 1 JPS had Cosworth behind him!!!

tom17 - Unregistered

October 18, 2012 11:25 AM


you're really the best armchair commentator, but dont have any idea how hard it is to win f1 race... to be on pole with single flying lap never been easy job (seb done it, and on a record now below scumi n senna), to be consistent in such speed and gravity nowadays car is really demanding... i bet you'll knocked urself just in few laps, and praise all champions in f1 without disrespect them...

the fact that seb win on neweys car is not his fault... why webber cant be champ? why kimi & choulthard cant be? why mansells just done it once?? to see all the record seb has is something brilliant for a guy at his age Check all the record and seek for youngest stats (its all about keeping the momentum to keep it on track, look how hamilton cant do anything years after win his championship, and the fact he's done silly mistakes and behavior)...

you cant take away vettel achievements without thinking he won championship on the most competitive grid while 5-6 champion is compete hi


October 18, 2012 12:26 PM

Of the current drivers, only Alonso has 'so far' proven (for many years) that he has what it takes to possibly earn the title "great" in the future. Vettel has so far only won in a great car(the same goes for Hamilton). Both Vettel and Hamilton have only proven to be good and fast drivers, nothing more. There is not enough 'evidence' to either dismiss nor confirm that they have what it takes to be one of the truly greats.

And to those who keeps bringing up Vettel in a Torro Rosso: That Torro Rosso was identical with the Red Bull that year except for different logos and of course a 'better' engine branded Ferrari. By no means was it a bad car that year.

What Alonso did in a Benetton and is currently doing in a much inferior Ferrari is what you can call evidence of potential of becoming a great. He is the only one that looks remotely capable of matching the greatness of Schumacher, which in his turn just barely made it close to the same level as Senna and other greats.

bob - Unregistered

October 18, 2012 12:29 PM

I am NOT a Vettel fan, but half the people on this forum make me laugh.

Vettel has achieved WAY more than Hamilton in F1, and has twice as many WDC's (soon to be 3xmore), yet people say he shouldn't be referred to as a 'Great', yet tell us week in week out that Hamilton is already an F1 legend and the greatest ever.

Really? Only 1 WDC in 6 years from the greatest ever?

I don't know whether either of them should be called a 'Great' just yet, but if they have to be given labels, then Vettel is MILES ahead of Hamilton in deserving the label of a 'Great'.

Texas Roadhouse

October 18, 2012 1:27 PM

Alonso is able to put a less-than-perfect car into a far higher position than it deserves - witness his performances at Minardi. The various opinions here (including mine) are largely meaningless. His (Vettel's) peers also tend to agree that Alonso is the yardstick to be judged by. As was Clark - and Stewart, for that matter.

When Vettel has taken a poor car and performed better than it should allow, or taken a team in the doldrums and brought it back to the front, then you might call him a "great".

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