F1 » JYS: Vettel no F1 great


Sir Jackie Stewart believes that Sebastian Vettel needs to prove himself away from Adrian Newey-designed cars before he can be called an F1 'great', but suggests the German would be mad to go to Ferrari just now....

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taliz

October 17, 2012 11:07 AM
Last Edited 651 days ago

People seem to forget Mark Webber is in the same car, but he isn't winning any championships. Vettel is quick, he's up there with Alonso and Hamilton. In fact I believe they're pretty equal as drivers. If Vettel moved to Ferrari he'd get about the same score as Alonso, or if he moved to Mclaren about the same as Hamilton, and vice versa.
That means if Hamilton or Alonso had been in the RBR instead of Vettel they'd have won 2010, 2011 and most likely 2012. Other drivers wouldn't though.

mix - Unregistered

October 17, 2012 11:46 AM

Mark Webber is no slouch as is Massa, both proven race winners. The fact that at sometimes they are well behind their team-mates (so called legends) has more to do with the team and less to do with their dedication and ability(If you think any different.. then you are just fooling yourself).
Also both had high profile "number 2" incidents.
In the past most champions in the past 20 years have been clear team leaders and mostly due to favouritism and to the detriment of their team-mates.
Remember, history is written by the victors....

The Finger - Unregistered

October 17, 2012 11:50 AM

"If Vettel decided to stay at Red Bull and kept on adding to the record books, would history say, he wasn't a great because his cars were designed by Adrian Newey?"

YES IT WOULD!!!

jimmy c - Unregistered

October 17, 2012 11:59 AM

real f1 people can see that vettel is just lucky, webber is happy enough to win a few races so he's no threat, i cant wait till alonso destroys him at ferrari.

Abhishek - Unregistered

October 17, 2012 12:23 PM

Thats stupid. Raikonnen had a fantastic Mclaren in those days - he didnot win despite his car being half a second faster than Alonso's Renault in 2005-06. Hamilton barely managed to squeeze in with the title despite being in a superior car, 2007- ALonso and Ham were in a superfast Mclaren but still somehow didnot win the title despite being 1-2 the whole season.
So its one thing having a superior car and one thing winning the title. Then one should just downplay Schumi's 5 titles with Ferrari and call it Ross Brawn factor. And then I should say Sebastien Loeb is not the best ever racer in all forms of motor-sports (IMO) as he is in a relatively superior Citroen.
These guys deserve credit and should have it. For me, Seb is in the list of F1 greats already as I believe he is a 3- time champion (including this year) and a few more to come.

cruachan - Unregistered

October 17, 2012 12:38 PM

Red Bull are ahead of the curve, but not to the extent they have been. Alonso will challenge to the end of the season, Hamilton seems only interested in money and twitter since he switched management.

Sir Jackie's great friend Jim Clark was upheld by everyone as the greatest driver of his era. The fact that Colin Chapman almost always built the best cars was neither here nor there. Is Vettel, or Alonso, or Hamilton universally acknowledged as the best of this era? Not yet....

Really? - Unregistered

October 17, 2012 12:45 PM

I'm not sure everyone's getting their knickers in an unnecessary twist about this.

However, I think everyone would like to see SV win with another team - although he has nothing to prove, it's nice to prove it anyway.

I am also a massive rally fan and would love to have seen Loeb drive for another team. I think he would won with someone else too but to see him do it with another manufacturer would have been the absolute for me.

Irrelevant of anything else, people want the spectacle. I know Lewis had a lot of haters but there are a lot of people out there that want him to win with Merc just to chow he can.

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