F1 » Vettel: We still need to go at full throttle


Sebastian Vettel: This weekend in Abu Dhabi the same level of concentration and skill is what is needed if we are to stay in front because with three races to go a comfortable lead is an elusive thing.

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izybluffen

November 02, 2012 1:26 AM

cont- best car to get pole or win and that's the point.
6- In 85 Senna won 8 poles and 2 wins in the Lotus, lost races because of DNF's, and became known still as a rookie for being the fastest driver...... Without the best car.
7- Name me some races Seb won not being on the front row ?

izybluffen

November 02, 2012 2:48 AM

Lol - Reality is not hating.... its reality.

You Seb fanboys are turning worse than the Lulu ones !

The real gold standard is Newey. That's the real fact, and it's more like you guys cant handle the fact it is the car.
You guys were all sooky sooky this year when Seb didn't have the best car on the day. But now he clearly has the best car again you are all up on your high horse calling haters etc !!!! Go figure.

So whats the point of the story - The car and Newey !
Reality !

BK-201 - Unregistered

November 02, 2012 3:56 AM

"Where are the statistics that show races won not from the front of the grid"

Here are some statistics for you.

Vettel has never won a race from further back than the second row on the grid.

Hamilton has never won a race from further back than the second row on the grid.

Senna won a total of ONE race from further back than the second row on the grid - he started it in fifth. Of course, he had a longer career than Vettel or Hamilton to date.

The claims that certain drivers not named Vettel are or were in the habit of winning races after starting well at the back are simply ignorant. There's no other way of saying it.

BK-201 - Unregistered

November 02, 2012 4:00 AM

"In 85 Senna won 8 poles and 2 wins in the Lotus, lost races because of DNF's, and became known still as a rookie for being the fastest driver...... Without the best car."

He had the fastest car, Noddy. That's what the eight poles tell you. The DNF's tell you it was a fast but unreliable car. But Senna never took pole in a slow car.

BK-201 - Unregistered

November 02, 2012 4:05 AM

"The greats didn't need the best car to get pole or win and that's the point."

Senna never won a WDC without having the best car. Not ever. Senna never took pole without having the fastest car.

Like many drivers - including Vettel - Senna sometimes won races without having the best car.

BK-201 - Unregistered

November 02, 2012 4:21 AM

"Just look at Spain 1996 or Donnington 93 for 2 quick examples. Your having a sook because Seb cant put in drives like these 2"

Not sure what "drives like these 2" are supposed to be. Winning in the rain while driving a poor car? Like Italy 2008? Winning in the rain from third on the grid? Like Malaysia 2010? What magical properties do you think were on display in the two races you mention?

izybluffen

November 02, 2012 4:44 AM
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Wow, getting a little upset.

Senna's Lotus was never the fastest car, to say that shows your lack of history !
Senna won the 1991 WDC when the Williams was a better car.
The 2 examples you mention are average at best.
Senna won pole in 1993 Mclaren against the dominate Williams and in 1987 when the Lotus was preety bad. Again the Lotus was not the fastest car and scored 16 poles in total.
"drives like these" are something Seb has never done !
Yes Seb is good, maybe even pretty good. He is still no "great" except in fanboys eyes.
At the end of the day this debate is pointless as Ayrton has been voted greatest driver ever in too many polls and magazines etc, and looking at Sebs career and competition he has no chance of matching that title. Come back when Seb actually wins a WDC against a WDC teammate, wins without the best car (on more than 1 lucky occasion) has some epic drives to put in the history books and stops showing that stupid finger.

848rs - Unregistered

November 02, 2012 6:55 AM

fact is Senna was a "win it or bin it" type... which would not serve him well at all. F1 cars have become uber technical and that was not Senna's strong point. Vettel is a more focused driver, thats why he is where he is. I'm a big fan of Senna's skills behind the wheel, but he would not stand a chance with this current form of racing.

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