F1 » Vettel: We still need to go at full throttle


Sebastian Vettel: This weekend in Abu Dhabi the same level of concentration and skill is what is needed if we are to stay in front because with three races to go a comfortable lead is an elusive thing.

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richard

November 02, 2012 8:25 AM

matt. i see you bring me into it! but how on earth would i know if BK is young? so how could i admit it?

but the reality of it all, is that drivers past and present cannot be equated. yes, schumi and senna (and many others) have won from down the grid in the past, but that was at a time when there may have been a problem in quali, and the faster cars were 2-3 secs a lap quicker than those in front. so it would be inevitable that such a feat could be attained. nowadays, the top 12 cars or so are very close in times, so it is practically impossible, unless there is a safety car period.
nobody knows if seb, or anyone else could win the race today, from say 15 th on the grid, in an incident free race? nobody, as it hasnt happened!
seb knows that it is easier to win from the front, so he puts everything into having that advantage. good on him!!

izybluffen

November 02, 2012 8:38 AM

@ Richard - yes good points, but "everybody" knows a great driver with the odds and car etc stacked against them. I still say Seb is a good or pretty good driver but we have not seen the next superstar aka Clark, Schumi or Senna that excels in all aspects of driving since the Schu himself. None of todays drivers has that level.
But surely it wont be long !

richard

November 02, 2012 8:58 AM

matt. i doubt that in the current state of f1, there will ever be another driver who was able to luck into a team that had a car 2 secs faster than anyone else, so there will be no more "exceptional" drivers.
seb is the closest, as he does have a good car, but he is able to use it to its mostest. the proof of that is really in your countryman. if it was purely the car, as some maintain, then webber would be either leading or lying second in the wdc. seb has had more dnfs too!

izybluffen

November 02, 2012 9:08 AM

@ Richard - There will be another. That can do many things before they get to the best car. Senna and Schumi both did on many more than 1 occasion when the fastest cars were much quicker but they made the difference. The things with the cars being closer these days should make it even easier for the next star to make his mark.
As for knocking on my countryman, we all know he is no Prost, but that does not stop me supporting him. Maybe if Mark was Seb's age things would be different. He has had some epic quali runs in the dry in Jags and Williams. Even Seb didn't get on the front row in the dry in crappy cars.

richard

November 02, 2012 10:58 AM

matt. i was not knocking on webber, but i was using him as an example. any driver must be compared to his teammate, and seb is comprehensively beating mark. they are in the same car, so that must mean something?

BK-201 - Unregistered

November 02, 2012 4:12 PM

"Senna and Schumi both did on many more than 1 occasion when the fastest cars were much quicker but they made the difference."

Senna spent most of his career in the fastest car. He did not have the fastest car with Toleman, and he accomplished nothing of note there. He did not have the fastest car in 1992 (when the Williams FW14B conquered all before it) and he did nothing of note that year. But he had a very fast car during his years at Lotus, and even moreso during the years he won his three WDC's with McLaren.

The quickness of the 1985-87 Lotus was exceeded only by its fragility. Over a three-year span Senna DNFed in one third of all races. But when the car stayed in one piece it was more than competitive. He was not up against cars which were "much quicker".

BK-201 - Unregistered

November 02, 2012 4:22 PM

"Senna's Lotus was never the fastest car, to say that shows your lack of history"

To say that Senna's Lotus was never the fastest car shows your prejudice and illogic. (And your lack of knowledge of history) In the hands of any other driver a car which takes the majority of pole positions and which consistently finishes first, second or third would be considered "the fastest car". You are starting with your conclusion - "Senna was the greatest driver ever" - and working backwards.

izybluffen

November 02, 2012 4:37 PM
Last Edited 690 days ago

@ BK - LMAO - In 1984 Senna practically won the Monaco Gp in that Toleman !!! Accomplished nothing of note..... Mate are you 16 just getting info off wiki ??
The Macca and Williams were both better than the Lotus, Senna destroyed his team mates there. So Senna had the 3rd/4th best car and still got all his results. Have you seen some old 85 and 86 races where the 3 quicker cars powered past the Lotus easy ??? Guess not.
Senna did nothing of note in 1992 you say, LOL, he still won 3 races against the mighty 92 Williams !!!! The Monaco race that year was a classic.
Even more Senna won 2 WDC's against Prost. In 88 he won 13 poles and 8 races against another "great" Do ya reckon Seb could do that against Alonso ???? No way !!

izybluffen

November 02, 2012 4:42 PM
Last Edited 690 days ago

Mate your just upset that Senna could get poles and win without the fastest car and Seb cant.

To say that Senna only got poles and wins in the Lotus because it was the fastest car is grossly inaccurate.
It was not the fastest car, just had the fastest driver in F1 history behind the wheel. Again, are you just upset, are you even old enough to remember those races ??
BTW these are no conclusions as you put it. they are FACT. Trying to gibberish about it will get you no where.

BK-201 - Unregistered

November 02, 2012 4:46 PM

"Again the Lotus was not the fastest car and scored 16 poles in total."

You are a remarkably irrational person. Everybody else on Earth regards poles as THE primary indicator of how fast a car is. You yourself regularly cite Vettel's starting from pole as demonstrating that the RB car is "the fastest".

But for some reason, in the case of Senna, things work backwards - all the poles he won are NOT considered indicative of the quickness of his car! When Senna scored a pole it showed what a great driver he was!

Vettel has started on pole in 35% of his career races. This, I am informed, shows that he has usually had the fastest car. Senna started on pole in 40% of his career races. But from some reason which you are incapable of articulating, this does not mean that Senna usually had the fastest car. I'd ask you to explain this discrepancy, if I thought you had an explanation.

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