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Luca di Montezemolo says Ferrari needs to take a winning car to Austin to keep Fernando Alonso in title contention

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PDM - Unregistered

November 06, 2012 7:29 AM

@ saint
Even with the current car which is the third fastest , if he didn't have just one of the two accidents he would lead at the moment he's the best no matter what the haters say

piercarlogassolini - Unregistered

November 06, 2012 9:02 AM

Can someone actually point me to the authoritative literature (definitely NOT another Crash comment, please!) that proves that the Ferrari is a 'dog' (fill in your own words) that FA is somehow heroically outperforming? It all seems to be Chinese whispers to me....


November 06, 2012 1:05 PM

pc. nearly every website has said that the ferrari is basically pretty useless. ferdi has said it, flip has said it, even luca has said it. but the term is relative.
a dog of a ferrari is still not as slow as a caterham etc, but it relation to macca and rbr, yes it is a dog of a car.
i like ferrari and dont like alonso, but i must admnit that he is extracting the absolute max from the car he is given. so credit to him.

Skooter - Unregistered

November 06, 2012 1:42 PM

Testing and budget restrictions have robbed us of last gasp efforts at the end of a season, whether it be Ferrari or any other. If they can't test, how can they improve enough with two races left. Long gone are the days of throwing money at it to produce improvements race by race. A pity really.

silent observer - Unregistered

November 06, 2012 2:32 PM

I don't necessarily agree that money should just be thrown at F1 and testing just for the sake of it, like Toyota used to do without results. But I certainly agree that with the limited testing regulations, the core technical/development strengths of certain teams (and drivers like Alonso) have been hampered, ie in terms of finding the necessary improvements for their package. So, if the engineers do not hit the ground running on day 1, then the team is pretty much snookered for the rest of the season, 20 races or not.

silent observer - Unregistered

November 06, 2012 2:38 PM

The alternative would be for all teams to go looking for their own version of Adrian Newey, who can generally hit the ground running on day 1 and just tweak his car as the season goes along. With the current testing regulations, it seems like nothing less will do.

By the way, that was not an anti-RBR or pro-Ferrari post. The same has applied to Mercedes and Ross Brawn, who I'm sure would have liked some extra test sessions to iron out the issues his cars have been facing since Australia.

Piercarlogassolini - Unregistered

November 06, 2012 5:25 PM


... and nearly every website has got it from those three! I think we've been 'had' personally, not that I'm slagging FA's abilities (other than to bull**** us about the car, back to my original point!)

BK-201 - Unregistered

November 06, 2012 5:36 PM

"The alternative would be for all teams to go looking for their own version of Adrian Newey, who can generally hit the ground running on day 1"

LOL! You're a comedian. Newey started with Red Bull in Feburary 2006. That year the top RB diver was Coulthard, who finished 13th.

In 2007 the top RB driver was Coulthard again, who scored the same number of points (14) but finished 10th.

In 2008 the top RB driver was Webber, who finished 11th and scored 21 points.

In 2009 some kid named Vettel joined Red Bull. He finished the season 2nd with 84 points, the youngest runner-up in F1 history.

You go right on lying to yourself about Newey if it makes you feel better.

BK-201 - Unregistered

November 06, 2012 5:46 PM

"nearly every website has said that the ferrari is basically pretty useless"

Well, there you go then! THAT'S an authoritative source!

If the Ferrari was in fact a "dog of a car" compared to the McLaren and RB, then we would expect to see Button and Webber finishing ahead of Alonso a fair amount of the time. But instead Alonso beats those two on a regular basis. There are only two drivers who are consistently faster than Alonso - Seb and Lewis. As it happens, both are very quick drivers in their own right. No need to postulate that they have much faster cars to explain their being slightly faster than Ferd.

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