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Luca di Montezemolo says Ferrari needs to take a winning car to Austin to keep Fernando Alonso in title contention

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silent observer - Unregistered

November 06, 2012 9:39 PM

BK, you sound like you've only been watching F1 since 2006. Or like you have no idea of Adrian Newey's core design philosophy (and preference) of speed over reliability over the past 12 to 15 years or so. (Obviously he has now factored in the latter in his more recent designs).

How else can you explain the blistering speed of all his McLaren designs that kept getting pole positions in Kimi's hands, but kept breaking down and costing him WDCs? No one is saying Coulthard is as fast as Vettel, but it's also true that Coulthard drove his cars when he switched to RBR and began to alter his design philosophy towards greater reliability along with speed.

Are you now implying that Newey designs slow cars like the current Ferrari - and what we are witnessing at the moment is ENTIRELY about Vettel?? Selective memory syndrome is one thing, but trying to re-write history is yet another!

BK-201 - Unregistered

November 07, 2012 1:03 AM

You claimed that Newey has instant impact. I pointed out that he joined Red Bull in 2006, four years before Vettel won the 2010 WDC for Newey. At this point you could admit you were wrong, or you could try to change the subject. You chose the latter tack.

Let me point out something else - the claim for the brilliance of the Newey designed Red Bull rests entirely on the accomplishments of one driver - Vettel. Nobody else in the Newey designed cars has done much of anything. Not Coulthard, not Webber, not Vitantonio Liuzzi, not Sebastien Bourdais, not Jaime Alguersuari. Jamie has an article an the BBC website on how great Newey's cars are. He never mentioned why he never scored a point while driving one.

BK-201 - Unregistered

November 07, 2012 1:06 AM

Your exact words were "The alternative would be for all teams to go looking for their own version of Adrian Newey, who can generally hit the ground running on day 1".

Plainly, he did not hit the ground running on day one at Red Bull.

BK-201 - Unregistered

November 07, 2012 1:21 AM

I can't agree with you with respect to the Newey designed McLarens. In the two years Kimi came second in the WDC with McLaren, he suffered five DNF's. That's not a lot. And some of those involved crashes or engine failures - things which can't be blamed on Newey's "fragile" design. KR did not win those years because either he or his car were not fast enough.

silent observer - Unregistered

November 07, 2012 8:12 AM

Moot points. You actually agree with me without realising it.

You choose to restrict the scope of your core argument to Newey's time at RBR. You're entitled to that choice. In the context of my main argument about the relative strengths of different teams/driver combinations, I am referring in essence to the start of each F1 season. And I am not talking just about the period from 2006, which you seem to be fixated with. You clearly ascribe all of Newey's F1 successes to Seb's driving and not to the genius of his car designs. Good for you, as you are entitled to that opinion. Seems to me you've been watching a different sport from me, so we'll have to agree to disagree.

garth - Unregistered

November 07, 2012 1:48 PM

Ferrari maybe forget one alonso talent in make scenario... you must put yourself in race simulation not only in car speed but condition between all driver included.

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