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Luca di Montezemolo confident Ferrari and Fernando Alonso can still win the F1 title

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sam - Unregistered

November 21, 2012 7:30 PM

mark you said Please state which rule they broke. You can't because, wait for it.....they didn't cheat.

if ferrari bribe race stewards in brazil to disqualfy vettel can you show me what rule they break? there is no rule specific which says bribing is cheating but it would be mad to think that just because rule don't say it specific is wrong that it must be a loophole that team is allowed to exploit. some year ago mclaren fined millions when it used ferrari data. what rule did mclaren break? does it really need rule to know when someone is cheating?

silent observer - Unregistered

November 21, 2012 8:29 PM

sam, how long have you been watching F1? The rule that McLaren broke is called industrial fraud (or industrial espionage) take your pick. And for bringing the sport into disrepute. They had their lawyers at the FIA hearings and they later apologised for wrongdoing. And then they fired Mike Coughlan, the engineer responsible. Unless you're telling us that they were happy to pay $100 million - and also apologise - for breaking no rules and doing nothing wrong??

YOU may well believe that, but I can assure you that Ron Dennis does not. He is a hard-nosed businessman!

richard

November 21, 2012 8:34 PM

so. dont forget that dennis denied that he had any knowledge of spygate, but later had to admit that he did know. that is why he had to step down.
incidentally dennis in an interview about lulu yesterday, said that the macca brand was bigger than lulu. well, that is true, though probably not what lulu thought.

silent observer - Unregistered

November 21, 2012 8:34 PM

And did I mention that they also got thrown out of the Constructors championship that year? And you want us to believe they broke NO RULES for all that punishment?? Yeah, pull another one!

sam - Unregistered

November 21, 2012 8:41 PM

silent i am not saying mclaren did no wrong. i am say there was no rule in rule book that said you do not do industrial espionage. that omision wasnt fia fault for leaving loophole to be exploited. it was cheating. some things so obviusly not sport that the rulebook does not need to say them.

when ferrari cut engine seals to manipulate grid, that is nothing to do with racing or engineering and it is crazy to say it is loophole in rulebook that is there to be exploited. i do not think f1 fans watch to see which team has best lawyers.

silent observer - Unregistered

November 21, 2012 8:52 PM

sam, you did ask what rule McLaren broke to receive the $100 million fine. Maybe I misunderstood you? Apologies if I did. But regarding your final point, you're correct but only 50% correct. Unfortunately, F1 is also a business as well as a sport. And the teams have sponsors and investors and shareholders to answer to, as well as fans. Just the way it is.

silent observer - Unregistered

November 21, 2012 9:01 PM

My point is simple, really. If ANY team cheats and breaks the rules, then they should be punished heavily, thrown out of the championship, whatever. But if they don't break any rules, then they should not be accused of doing so.

The argument about a 'gentlemen's agreement' is a different one and is open to confusion and bias, according to which team or driver people support. It's a convenient one for us fans to have from the comfort of our armchairs. We are not the ones putting our lives on the line every fortnight for the entertainment of others. Neither are we the ones forking out $50 million or $100 million as sponsors and investors. The argument is not always as black and white as we like to think.

Mark _

November 21, 2012 9:03 PM

sam - If moving the Ferrari to the other side of the grid is cheating then it was the FIA that cheated not Ferrari. All that Ferrari did was cut the seal. After that it was up to the FIA to take or not take any action.

How do you feel about drivers failing to set a time in q3 to gain a tire advantage? For some reason no one wants to answer that one. We saw Vettel put to the back of the grid due to using too much fuel but if he had failed to set a time in q3 he would have started 10th. Go figure.

sam - Unregistered

November 21, 2012 9:09 PM

silent. i wrote what i did because people ask what rule ferrari broke. i was try to show plenty of teams and drivers punished for cheating even though no specific rule, and if people say what rule did ferrari break, also should say what rule did mclaren break or what rule did schumacher break when he crashed car at monaco to stop other drivers besting his q time and what rule would a team break if bribe stewards? non of it is right. i do not accept that f1 is business so it is okay to cheat sometimes. cycling is business. is it okay cyclist take drugs as long as not get caught? all sports now are business. if winning by lawyers is okay then it has no respect from me.

sam - Unregistered

November 21, 2012 9:25 PM

mark i dont like cars not run in q3 but also do not like tyre rules to add lottery element to race. i wuold like each q3 driver to get one new tyreset which has to go back at end of q3 whether used or not to take away reason not to run.

at last race, it was wrong of fia to allow situation where one side of grid at disadvantage. they could scrubwash grids after q3 to be sure it is fair for all. it is not in brake zone so would not affect race, only start.

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