F1 » Vettel title hangs in balance


Sebastian Vettel could be stripped of his third F1 world championship if it can be proved that he passed Jean-Eric Vergne under yellow flags at Interlagos on Sunday.

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SpeedFreak0115 - Unregistered

November 29, 2012 11:49 AM

The rules are the rules (although not simple and at times very difficult to interpret).
If it can be proven Vettel overtook Vernge under yellows then he deserves the penalty being discussed, regardless of the means by which this is brought to the FIA.
No point in attacking Alonso for sticking up for himself and safety in the sport.
Yellows are there for safety reasons, comply or take the penalty, simples!!!

Brigton Thor - Unregistered

November 29, 2012 11:49 AM

Marshalls do an invaluable job around the circuits but I feel they should not be allowed to restart the race after full course yellow, that job should be fully in the hands of race control.
The light pillars around the circuit under the control of race control should be the only indicators as they are in a fixed position and if neccessary a line on the track to eradicate any doubt if a driver passed or not before the line of each light pillar.
Marshalls are the first people to indicate a crash or similar to warn of impending danger and that should be their job and not to restart a race after full course yellow causing the pantomime that is now the case.

Andrew - Unregistered

November 29, 2012 11:50 AM

By Danielle Joynson, Reporter
Filed: Thursday, November 29, 2012 at 11:36 UK
Last Updated: Thursday, November 29, 2012 at 11:36 UK

Formula 1's ruling body FIA have insisted that Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel's drivers' championship victory will stand, despite a complaint made by Ferrari regarding an alleged illegal overtaking during the Brazilian Grand Prix.

Ferrari are believed to have launched a protest against Vettel after video footage showed that the German overtook Toro-Rosso driver Jean-Eric Vergne in a yellow-flag zone, which does not allow overtaking within that sector.

Despite the footage, the FIA have stated that a green flag was displayed before the flashing green light, which indicates that Vettel was permitted to overtake his opponent and does not warrant a points penalty, according to Autosport.

Vettel, who finished three points ahead of Ferrari's Fernando Alonso, became the youngest driver to clinch three consecutive championships.

AnyonebutAlonso - Unregistered

November 29, 2012 11:52 AM

Loser Alonso trying anything to get his grubby hands on the title again, have a look at the video on bbc sport website, there is a marshals post half way between the last yellow light and the first green light, In the marshals post a marshal is waving a green flag, the bbc video slow mo's it, still not easy to see, and vettel doesn't overtake until well after the flag, but before the light which was the 2nd green indicator

Talk about a sore loser...

twowheelsareenough - Unregistered

November 29, 2012 11:57 AM

the real thing against Vettel is that a third title for the same team and the same pilot is no good for the business except if it's for Ferrari
is Jean Todt, ex Ferrari, really the right man to judge this case ?

AnyonebutAlonso - Unregistered

November 29, 2012 12:06 PM

Brigton Thor.
The marshals can react to a crash faster than race control and are able to get the yellow flags out much more rapidly and then radio race control. As they are in contact with race control do you really think they decide when it's a green flag again??I would hazard a guess that the confirmation for green flag racing is very much controlled by race control. One person cannot control 3 miles of race track no matter how good the technology is. The lights are an aid and are spread much to thinly to control the race.
Ferari,Alonso and the fanboi's are all grasping at straws now, they didnt want to see the marshal with the waved green flag on the left between the lights so they never studied the video properly. They are all coming across as a little bit sad now. The marshal would have reported Vettel at the time if he had overtaken on yellows, that is their job.

golden oldie - Unregistered

November 29, 2012 12:08 PM

Well, that was a nice discussion here on Cras.net!

Like to point out the following:
1) Marshalls were well aware of the incident during the race. I watched the race in France on TF1 and during the race the french commentator already mentioned the incident, but gave directly afterwards the explication why the "under investigation" was cleared in favour of SV. (Green flag shown)
2) A team can only protest max. 30 minutes after the race is finished.
3) If Ferrari could have protested, they would have done so directly after or even during the race, but they never did!

p.s.
Perhaps the whole incident has been blown up by the spanish media?
Other suggestion that it might have been a money matter, then you could also suggest that Caterham wanted an 9th instead of their 10th place which of course is utter bullshit.

Shit happens - Unregistered

November 29, 2012 12:09 PM

The title won't change, u would like to very much but it won't because Ferrari asked for a clarification not lodged a complaint on the overtake, although vettel dust cheat don't argue that he overtook when there was yellow flashing light before the green light so the overtook was illegal but get sometime **** happens, you just gotta deal with it, alonso knows who is the real champ ithat's what only matters as Lewis said he considers alonso to be a three time or four time Wdc champion, as for vettel he is good and externally lucky Lady Luck and vettel seen to be connected

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