F1 » Ecclestone: Ferrari reaction ‘a shame’ for F1 2012


Bernie Ecclestone has slammed Ferrari's decision to prolong the debate over whether Sebastian Vettel passed Jean-Eric Vergne under yellows in Brazil.

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JohnO - Unregistered

November 29, 2012 8:25 PM

"Even Piquet Jr. said in a recent interview that he does not believe that Alonso knew about the Crashgate plan."

Now there's an impartial opinion!

Mark _

November 29, 2012 8:36 PM

@JohnO - Perhaps you missed that the FIA had to clarify the rules about engine mapping because RBR had reintroduced an exhaust blown diffuser. See link.
autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101476

KIMSTER - Unregistered

November 29, 2012 8:47 PM

Alonso is a whingeing loser its clear that both he and Ferrari can't come to terms with losing the f1 championship... They are devising all too many clever ways to grab the title outside the track... Shame on these lovers.

Mark _

November 29, 2012 8:47 PM

@JohnO - Well given that the Piquets wanted to sue Renault for the Crashgate incident I find it hard to believe that they would hold any punches if they thought that Alonso was directly involved.

JohnO - Unregistered

November 29, 2012 8:50 PM

"Perhaps you missed that the FIA had to clarify the rules about engine mapping because RBR had reintroduced an exhaust blown diffuser."

Engine mapping is not the same thing as an exhaust blown diffuser. If RB had "reintroduced an exhaust blown diffuser" after these had been banned, they should - and would - have been docked points. But what actually happened was that RB were cleared of any wrong doing. I repeat, cleared of any wrong doing. You could look it up.

And if RB had been running an exhaust blown diffuser in the first half of the season their car would not have been so poor compared to the rest of the field.

mike - Unregistered

November 29, 2012 8:50 PM

@Mark

From BBC, AB:

"The 31-year-old Alonso, who was world champion in 2005 and 2006, is believed to be pushing Ferrari to make an official protest to the FIA."

And FA:s twitter message about rules and especially his managers...

Mark _

November 29, 2012 8:58 PM

@Mike - thank you I stand corrected. This site among many others failed to make that connection.

@JohnO - Since you didn't bother to read the article I will post from it. "Red Bull Racing was able to both minimise wheelspin and also pump more gases through its engines, therefore helping the aerodynamic benefits that the outfit still gets through the use of exhaust flow at the rear of the car."

The fact is after the ruling they could no longer use that mapping yet the rules never changed. How can the car be legal in the first part of the season and then not be at the end of the season if the rules have not changed?

JohnO - Unregistered

November 29, 2012 8:59 PM

"the FIA had to clarify the rules about engine mapping"

But they did NOT "clarify" the rules about engine mapping. They changed them, and changed them quite substantially. Of course they are free to do so. But the FIA altering the rules is NOT the same thing as Red Bull breaking them.

JohnO - Unregistered

November 29, 2012 9:04 PM

"The fact is after the ruling they could no longer use that mapping yet the rules never changed."

The rules changed massively after the rules change. I quote

"Red Bull were cleared of wrongdoing, as, in the stewards' words, they had not technically broken any rules, but the FIA announced plans to rewrite the regulations governing throttle mapping so as to outlaw the practice entirely ahead of the Hungarian Grand Prix one week later. The rule changes required teams to submit an engine map used during one of the first four races of the season, which became known as the "reference map". Any subsequent changes to the throttle map would require the approval of the FIA, provided that the torque output above 6,000 rpm was within two percent of the output specified on the reference map."

JohnO - Unregistered

November 29, 2012 9:15 PM

Note that in Germany (prior to the engine mapping rules change) Vettel finished 5th and Webber 8th.

In Hungary, after these massive change to the rules aimed at taking away Red Bulls's supposed big unfair advantage, Vettel finished 4th and Webber finished 8th.

There was never anything going on there, other than the paranoia of RB's competitors. "Dirty tricks", as Vettel said.

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