F1 » Ecclestone: Ferrari reaction ‘a shame’ for F1 2012

Bernie Ecclestone has slammed Ferrari's decision to prolong the debate over whether Sebastian Vettel passed Jean-Eric Vergne under yellows in Brazil.

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JohnO - Unregistered

November 29, 2012 10:29 PM

"I started watching F1 part way through the 1993 season but I do not recall other instances of califications or mid-season rule changes."

That's odd, because there was plenty of it going on just last year. Hot blown diffusers were allowed, then banned at Silverstone, then allowed again. Rules rarely "change" in F1 - instead they are constantly being "clarified".

JohnO - Unregistered

November 29, 2012 10:37 PM

Even the banning of hot blown diffusers was couched in terms of being a clarification of the rules. The rules themselves (nudge nudge, wink wink) did not "change".

I'm not sure why the FIA feels the need to talk like this, but that's just been the way they are for a long time now.

mk - Unregistered

November 29, 2012 10:45 PM


Really? Do you see how the red bull sticks to the road compared to the ferrari? Do you see how easy Vettel gets to turn the wheel compared to Alonso? If you think Ferrari had a quicker car than the red bull then you are wrong, look at all the money RB spent on development and the difference is quite apparent. If you had come up 3 points short and something was a bit dodgy with the final result, I'm sure you would protest.

Alonso champion 2014.

JohnO - Unregistered

November 29, 2012 11:25 PM

"Do you see how the red bull sticks to the road compared to the ferrari?"

Nothing mysterious about that. RB uses more down force, which causes the car to "stick to the road compared to the Ferrari". The price for doing so is a loss in top speed - the RB car is consistently quite a bit slower at the top end than the Ferrari or McLaren.

Ferrari could generate more down force if they wanted to. There is no alchemy involved, aerodynamics is a well established scientific field whose principles are widely understood.

ice cream is faster than you - Unregistered

November 29, 2012 11:46 PM

So there is nothing to clarify in the first place as FIA pointed out there is no case to answer due to the green flag waved.

I bet by now Ferrari wishes they didnt open pandoras box by asking for clarification and making this public just minutes before the FIA made its NO CASE TO ANSWER announcement. FIA was even polite to Ferrari by not naming them as the party who asked for clarification. Talk about shooting in your own foot, Ferrari. I asume they have to follow some protocoll now which means needless work for days/weeks to clear up this mess. Anybody knows the outcome anyway so they will not be pleased for having to waste time with this.

Just shows you how desperate Ferrari and Alonso are to start the promised era of domination and that all is not well in Ferrariland. From 2014 Mercedes might become a big factor too making this Ferrari Alonso era less and less likely to be a success.

Ptolomy - Unregistered

November 29, 2012 11:59 PM

I just cleaned out my closets of all my old Ferrari clothing and hats from the Schumi-Raikkonen-Massa days. Took them out back and made a makeshift burn barrell. Sent it all up in smoke.
I don't want anything to do with this whining, underhanded bunch again until the Alonso-Montezemolo-Domenicali bunch are gone!


November 30, 2012 12:03 AM

I understand that that the yellow-flag sector began just before Turn 3 and ended just before Turn 4. At that point a green light panel is displayed. A marshal is stationed these two points and a marshall clearly waved the green flag at this point. This information was clearly communicated to the teams immediately following the race, and under the FIA rules, if a green flag is displayed before a green light - as in this case, the green flag counts.
Ferrari know this, and they must know there is no chance of the decision being overturned. Therefore, their "request for clarification" is sour grapes and quite frankly hurts F1.
I badly wanted Alonso to beat Seb, but damn it, Ferrari continue to make it difficult to cheer for them.

TruthTeller - Unregistered

November 30, 2012 12:39 AM

Finally.... Mr Ecclestone saying how the rest of us truly feels about Ferrari ....
Ferrari F1 is a low-life low-class organisation. They have constantly engage in tactics that not only harms their reputation as a brand, but more importantly harms F1. Ferrari fans should be ashamed of themselves for supporting such a disgraceful team ...


November 30, 2012 12:44 AM

Money and greed have totally prostituted F1 to the level of commercial exploitation , there is no sport left.The last real F1 race took place in Pescara in 1957 and its been a downward slide since then. If you want to witness the sole remaining vestage of real racing go to the Isle of Man for the 2013 TT or the Ulster GP or similar.Michael Dunlop and John McGuinness and their ilk are the true heroes of modern motor

Giveway - Unregistered

November 30, 2012 12:45 AM

Bunch of immature young sooks here on Crash forums. The FIA, Ferrari AND Infiniti RedBull, are all hugely bent and all "cheat" in the fans eyes.

It has been that way for 50 years guys, so get over it, this is nothing new from any of them. Any team would do as Ferrari have done. There was a time when if Ferrari questioned, Vettel would have had a three race ban...... Now it is Redbull's turn to be the FIA posterboy.

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