F1 » Ferrari considers Vettel matter closed


Ferrari says the controversy over Sebastian Vettel's suggested yellow flag overtake on Jean-Eric Vergne in Brazil is at an end

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richard

December 01, 2012 2:25 PM

ty. there have been a number of issues in which ferrari were involved this year. going by the rule book, you could argue that they were right, but that doesnt make it morally justifiable. but as i said, ferdis tantrums were very tedious, and not just in the last few races.
other teams, working within the rules, were being targeted by ferrari. instead, all they needed to do was up their game and exploit the same loopholes, which they didnt. as for breaking seals in a gearbox just to get a better starting position? legal maybe but not showing a true fighting spirit. i do remember many years ago, one driver demanding that pole be moved to the other side of the grid, and that was refused.

richard

December 01, 2012 2:28 PM

not denying that alonso struggled with what was supposedly a bad car, yed a driver, who some consider lesser, was able to extract more from the car. this showed up alonso to some extent. i never heard massa complain about the car, even when he was being used as a guinea pig. and he was being pilloried by all and sundry here.

Taipan

December 01, 2012 3:38 PM

Richard, I think Alonso's main problem is that over the last 6 seasons (most) people would accept that he's been the best driver on the grid, but thanks to team/car he's not won another championship, there's not much more he could have done, must be a bit of a weight round his neck.

mrfill

December 01, 2012 3:40 PM

Is the trust that has been lost in Ferrari that which was gained during the Schumacher years? After all, Ferrari were never involved in any kind of rule bending or chicanery in that era were they?

Taipan

December 01, 2012 3:55 PM

Rob, Yeah I know you have serious issues with Ferrari/Alonso's lack of morality, what I don't understand is why another team/driver's blatent lying and cheating doesn't seem to trouble you what so ever.

107SS2009

December 01, 2012 8:27 PM

Richard, you have chosen to open a can of worms which is half full of the energy drink called Red Bull, “there have been a number of issues in which FERRARI were involved in this year” “they (FERRARI) needed to up their game” “other teams working within the rules (I am assuming you mean one of them being RBR).
RBR wasn't working within the rules, there was instances when they were caught blatantly cheating. (I will fully explain with facts).
This year's RBR championship was helped no end by the powers that be, namely but not solely by The FIA (I will also explain with facts).
I will prefer to leave Vettel and Alonso out of all this if you will allow as they were both driving cars as provided by their teams.

107SS2009

December 01, 2012 8:56 PM

The cat and mouse of F1 teams is fun, but making suspension changes in park fermee isn't cat and mouse, its blatant cheating.
In many cases concerning RBR this year the FIA rather than punish RBR intent preferred to put a patch on the wording of the rules, with the effect of RBR being allowed to keep the points gained in some of the cases illegally.
The FIA does share some responsibility in RBR winning the championship but perhaps they simply don't want to look bad for having missed/massed/acted in the above points as they did.
RBR is unbeatable at playing the human risk/reward game involving chances of being caught, a game that certainly paid dividends to them.

richard

December 01, 2012 9:07 PM

sunny. the simple fact is that rbr were never found to be illegal. front wing...ths complied with the testing rules, therefore legal. it even passed subsequent stricter tests.

hole in floor.. they submitted this to fia BEFOR using it. the fia confirmed in writing that all was ok.

engine mapping...again, within the rules as they existed, but fia clarified and confirmed that bull was fully legal

suspension...adjustment was rumoured, but no evidence ever submitted to say it was being done.

all maybe borderline cases but all declared LEGAL by fia.

richard

December 01, 2012 9:13 PM

now we go to macca.
tea tray/floor...noticed in scrutineering that there was a bend in the floor which was (per rules) required to be flat.
front wing supports...flexible fastenings discovered when rigid fixing was specified in rules

these were two deliberate breeches of the rules

ferrari. as far as i am aware, no breeches of rules or even borderline cases. but stretched the sprit of rules close to breaking point

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