F1 » Mateschitz: Toro Rosso must improve

Toro Rosso told to improve by Red Bull boss Dietrich Mateschitz after difficult 2012 season

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December 10, 2012 4:13 PM

Richard, Vettel should be the one moving, to another team, if he can win elsewhere then he can finally be up there with the greats, until then he will always be seen as great, but not one of the greats.

JohnO - Unregistered

December 10, 2012 10:56 PM

" if he can win elsewhere then he can finally be up there with the greats"

Alonso won both his titles with one team. If he fails to win one with another team, will that make him less "great"?

Ayrton Senna won all his titles with one team. Is he less than "great" because of that?

Jim Clark spent his entire career with Lotus. Is he less than "great" on that account?

Mika Hakkinen ... you get the picture, I trust. This business that you're not "great" unless you move to another team, preferably a weaker team, and help them to win, is a cudgel aimed at one specific individual - Vettel. The people saying it never apply it consistently to other drivers.

David Chaste - Unregistered

December 10, 2012 11:58 PM

I just hope he's not thinking of selling the team. But when they replace drivers they should replace them one at the time. So it would give them a way to gauge the performance of the new driver.

The only situation that does not apply is when you have veteran drivers who have done at least a couple years in F1 and you know their performance levels.

Like Sauber. They could afford to replace both drivers because they already know what Hulkenberg is capable off.


December 11, 2012 1:46 AM

johno - maybe if you take your rose coloured Seb glasses off you might understand.

Being a great doesn't mean you have to win a WDC in a lesser car, we mean you go to a lesser team and still win races in outstanding performances which proves you can still win without the best car and means you are a great driver. Get it ?

The last 2 greats Senna and Schu did amazing things before and after they had the best car which Seb hasn't done and his critics are waiting for. I am happy to call Seb a great if he achieves this but from looking at the start of this year when Newey didn't have all the special parts hooked up...... Even Webber did better. You don't just achieve greatness from having the best car 3 years, you have to prove you are great otherwise. Moss and Gilles are greats but they never won a WDC !!!

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