F1 » Stewart: 2012 'as good as we could have had'


Sir Jackie Stewart says the 2012 F1 season is one he feels will live long in the memory - and states that either of the top two drivers would have been a worthy champion

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JohnO - Unregistered

December 12, 2012 6:26 PM

"Notable absence is Vettel. Whether its a conspiracy theory or.not is down to you, but how can Red Bull go from insanely quick, have loads of stuff forcibly removed from the carcomparatively struggle for a few rounds only to then become ridiculously fast again."


Perhaps the problem is that you don't know anything about F1? The sequence of events you describe never happened. The RB cars were never "insanely quick" last season, they struggled in qualifying with the new tyres like many others at the start of this season, and Vettel - but not Webber - was decently fast but certainly not "ridiculously fast" as the season moved on.

richard

December 12, 2012 6:29 PM
Last Edited 648 days ago

mjgroves. re the bulls. yes, they were reined in , due to others complaining. but the simple fact is that they knuckled down and did an amazing job to get the car back to being second fastest. then it was up to the drivers to get the most out of it. and ONE did. maybe you should acknowledge that, especially after brazil, where a seriously damaged and down-on-power car was driven above its capabilities to clinch the wdc for its driver.

shaken - Unregistered

December 12, 2012 6:38 PM

Yes Sir Jackie, its been a good year for your bank balance and next year will be even better (much better) now that Rolex are a main sponsor and you're a Rolex Ambassador (plenty of free smart watches for you sir). So you'll have plenty of hanging around and about to do.

izybluffen

December 12, 2012 11:46 PM
Last Edited 648 days ago

Some peoples idea of a "boring" season is any season in which their favored driver does not win.

@ JohnO - That's the best thing I've heard you say on here. 2010 was a cracker.

But honestly how can you say RB have not been the best car for the last 3 1/2 years.
2009- Newey copied diffuser became the best car.
2010- RB was a quali beast and very fast on most circuits.
2011- Domination
2012- Newey got off to a slow start but got around the EBD rules, double DRS etc. The RB has still been the best chassis all year, but lacked HP on some circuits, as well as Neweys extra downforce parts to make up for straight line speed.

JohnO - Unregistered

December 13, 2012 12:09 AM

"how can you say RB have not been the best car"

Depends on your definition of "best car". What I said was that the RBR cars have not been "dominant" as claimed in the story, and the plain fact is that they have not been.

Arguably the car that wins the WDC and/or the WCC is always the "best car" by definition. In that sense every WDC has had the "best car". But I don't think that's what the people gushing over the "dominance" of the RB's have in mind - they think Seb is driving an FW18. And they're badly and obviously wrong.

JohnO - Unregistered

December 13, 2012 12:23 AM

"2011- Domination"

There was no Red Bull domination in 2011. There was Seb Vettel domination, which is a slightly similar but distinctly different thing.

If the RB7 had engaged in "domination" in 2011 then Mark Webber would have finished second that year, and he'd have done much better than one win - which looked like a gift - and two second place finishes.

You want to see what car domination looks like? Look at 1988 or 1992 or 1996 or 2002. Those were dominant cars. 2011 was a dominant performance by an individual driver. The difference is in how the second driver does.

izybluffen

December 13, 2012 1:52 AM
Last Edited 647 days ago

@ Johno - You gotta be fair to Webber. His season was over in the first 3-4 races with the seized rear spring and multiple KERS issues which recurred all year. He hated the tyres and the clutch which RB didn't change for him until the last 4 races - then his starts improved dramatically. Also the car was perfect for Seb and Mark disliked it. So in actual fact with the combination of things Mark has a bad season. But he still got more fastest laps then Seb.
So it still was domination as the car was perfect for Seb. You cant dominate without a dominate car and the RB7 was indeed that. It was Sebs perfect car. You can't dominate in a crap car. It like driving a Ford Pinto compared to a Porsche.

JohnO - Unregistered

December 13, 2012 2:35 AM

"You gotta be fair to Webber."

An odd injunction on your part, as you clearly feel no compulsion to be fair to Vettel.

"You cant dominate without a dominate car"

Of course you can. Vettel did it in 2011 and Alonso did it in 2005. There are plenty of other examples of drivers dominating a season without a dominant car.

izybluffen

December 13, 2012 2:56 AM

@ Johno - So you think because of Webber that the RB7 was not a dominate car ???

Alonso 2WDC he had way more competition from people with close car performance.

BTW Im fair to Vettle when its due. I just can't stand people claiming he is a Schu, Clark, Fangio or Senna.

Anyway pleas write me a list of who "dominated" without a dominate car. There a very few people who won a WDC without the best car, but dominate the season without a dominate car, you will be hard pressed to find one.

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