F1 » Stewart maintains view Vettel still isn't an F1 great

@ Ptolomy Calm down dude, chill. lol

"Did you not see any races Alonso won this year? He won 3 in an inferior car."

Vettel won 4 races in 2009 in an inferior car. It was every bit as inferior as Alonso's car this year.

Vettel is pep gardiola, vettel fans always bang in about no one wins races in a inferior car, that's true but before the sixth race vettel was nowhere to be seen, after Singapore or the race day from Singapore red bull just flew past everyone, the rest fell behind vettel is do lucky his got newey, as pep was so lucky he had ineista xavi messi and the best players of the world

@John
The 2009 Red Bull wasn't as inferior as this years Ferrari. Red Bull were the team to beat by mid way through '09 and it's stayed that way ever since.
I think most people will probably agree the RB5 wasn't as inferior as the F2012. How many races did the RB5 win? 6 or 7? The Ferrari got 3 and only Valencia wasn't helped by rain at some point

"The 2009 Red Bull wasn't as inferior as this years Ferrari."

Yes, it was.

" before the sixth race vettel was nowhere to be seen"


Do any of you people even follow F1? Vettel won in Bahrain, the fourth race. He won before Hamilton did, even though Hamilton had a faster car. Five races into the season Vettel was top of the standings. Nowhere to be seen? Good Grief!

Right I don't wanna get into an arguement, but how was it as bad as this years Ferrari? It was a match for the Brawns at the very least. Arguably should have won the title in '09 if they'd started a bit better. I just don't get how it was a bad as the Ferrari.
If winning 7 races on pure merit, by having the fastest car on the day makes it worse than winning 3 with a fair bit of luck really, then yes its worse

"I don't wanna get into an arguement, but how was it as bad as this years Ferrari"

So you think that YOU should be able to say whatever crosses your mind and it's all right because you are jolly well entitled to your opinion, but other people have to provide evidence to to satisfy you?

yes that's exactly it...
i just don't get how the Red Bull was as bad, it won 7 races. How does that make it as bad as the Ferrari? I don't need you to prove anything to me.
But the same applies to you then. You're allowed to state the Red Bull was as bad and can't seem to have any kind of reason why?
Everyone is entitled to an opinion yes. My opinion is the Ferrari was worse therefore Alonso is the better driver. Yours is the opposite. Am I in the wrong to ask why you think it? And does it make me in the wrong for trying to have a discussion about it?

I've said why I think the Ferrari was the worse car, I don't see how its unreasonable to ask why you think the Red Bull was worse. I don't want to argue as I've already said. But I really don't see how asking why you think that is arguing... I've said how I see it, you say how you see it then we can discuss it... It's not that difficult