F1 » Stewart maintains view Vettel still isn't an F1 great

"winning 3 with a fair bit of luck"

Oh? Now you're telling me that Alonso was lucky to win those three races?

Remember your ultimate objective here, which was to tear down VETTEL, not Alonso.

"Red Bull were the team to beat by mid way through '09 and it's stayed that way ever since."


Let's assume for the moment that your imaginative and revisionist account of history is correct. Vettel beat the Brawn's in the first part of the season while they were still sweeping all before them. How is that not winning in an "inferior car"?

Yet another pedantic Scotsman.
He should shack up with DC, there's a reality show in there somewhere..

JohnO

That's not only Dan's opinion. It is obvious that Red Bull had by far superior car comparing to Ferrari in 2012. It's not very clever to argue against unquestionable facts

"That's not only Dan's opinion"


Yes, it is. It is not at all "obvious" that whatever you want to be reality IS reality. Alonso's refusal to allow a good driver in the second Ferrari does not make the car terrible. Even with Massa's poor performances the car often called a "donkey cart" finished a not-too-distant second in the WCC. In fact they finished a little closer behind RB this year than RB finished behind Brawn in 2009, after adjusting for the new points system.

"Yes, it is."

Great argument What can I say? If you think so, then good luck staying in your "reality"

I wasn't here to tear down Vettel and I'm not tearing down Alonso. I'm an Alonso fan, but I think most people will agree there was a bit of luck involved.
You're clearly a Red Bull and Vettel fanboy and won't tolerate any negativity towards them so I give up with you. The fact Red Bull won 7 races in 2009 and pushed Button for the title clearly shows they had an inferior car I agree.
At the end of the day Red Bull are a drinks company, as Hamilton said. So they must build inferior cars...
I don't particularly like Vettel and I would prefer Alonso won the title. But I'll hold my hand up and acknowledge when he's done a good job. How about you grow up and accept other people's points of view

Also, Red Bull have Adrian Newey. And I'm sure he's the highest regarded designer in the business because of his inferior cars

JohnO

The fact that Ferrari claimed second in constructor's championship was not due to their car's superiority, but due to their team work, excellent pit stops and strategies, and finally, due to Alonso, who clearly outdrove his car. Just look at their lap times in qualifyings and races: these are pure facts which you are trying to argue against.

who is ferrari best driver jackie schummi or alonso..... vettel hasnt been ferrari driver and he scored three times wdc... and has chance to move on ferrari.... wait until vettel in ferrari what he can do...